National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

[Salt USMC]

Did the cop deserve to get shot?

No he didn’t

 

[Jaknight]

She was the unfortunate victim of careless police behavior, at the very least, to which the color of her skin has in no way been ruled out as a contributing factor.

Are you saying she may have been shot cause she was black? That maybe true or it could have been an unfortunate circumstance due to her being associated with a drug dealer but who knows

 

[Locksteady]

You're certainly entitled to that view but I find it misguided and it doesn't align with the facts.

You can find it misguided, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't align with the facts. It means other people have different interpretations from you and the grand jury about whether or not three officers firing 30+ rounds into a house from multiple directions in response to one shot fired constituted a reckless response.

The court neither addressed nor established whether or not race as a contributing factor, so it is unwarranted to claim that it wasn't and then assert it as a determined fact.

As an aside, one thing I have not seen related to the case, and I don't know if it was released, but who's rounds killed Taylor? Where did it come from specifically? Was there more than one fatal injury? I'd be curious to know this.

Kentucky AG confirmed that Detected Cosgrove fired the killing shot.

Mr Cameron said a ballistics report had found that six bullets had struck Ms Taylor, but only one had been fatal. That analysis concluded that Detective Myles Cosgrove had fired the shot that killed Ms Taylor.

Breonna Taylor lawyer slams 'devilish' proceedings

 

[AWP]

I see this thread is dipping its toe into the "Getting closer to earning some points" end of the pool...

 

[Jaknight]

You can find it misguided, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't align with the facts. It means other people have different interpretations from you and the grand jury about whether or not three officers firing 30+ rounds into a house from multiple directions in response to one shot fired constituted a reckless response.

The court neither addressed nor established whether or not race as a contributing factor, so it is unwarranted to claim that it wasn't and then assert it as a determined fact.Kentucky AG confirmed that Detected Cosgrove fired the killing shot.


Breonna Taylor lawyer slams 'devilish' proceedings

Thing is the cops didn’t just roll up and say hey let’s go into that house and start a gun fight and to try to bring race into it turns it into the festival we see now

 

[Locksteady]

Are you saying she may have been shot cause she was black?

I'm saying it, to my awareness, was never ruled out as a contributing factor. This was in response to Blizzard's (as yet) unsubstantiated positive claim that color had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jaknight]

I'm saying it, to my awareness, was never ruled out as a contributing factor. This was in response to Blizzard's (as yet) unsubstantiated positive claim that color had nothing to do with it.

Do you believe it was a factor? If so why I’m interested to know

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I see this thread is dipping its toe into the "Getting closer to earning some points" end of the pool...

Top of the page.

Everybody chill and bit and back off on the rhetoric.

 

[Locksteady]

Do you believe it was a factor? If so why I’m interested to know

It's hard to tell.

 

[Jaknight]

It's hard to tell.

How so? What makes you think it could be?

 

[Locksteady]

How so? What makes you think it could be?

The same logic that allows you to consider any other factor, such as awareness of involvement with drug dealers, a possible contributor to their response.

 

[Locksteady]

^ Sorry, I believe I misspoke on your meaning, as you mentioned the drug dealer association more as the factor that caused her to be where she was, rather than a psychological factor influencing their response.

In short, @Jaknight, evidence is only necessary to rule out the possibility - not to allow for it.

 

[Kaldak]

@Locksteady I would really appreciate you adding supporting articles from newsworthy sources in these threads going forward.

 

[amlove21]

Hey guys, a pleasure to be here.

@Locksteady you're an unvetted member of the board. You've made a habit of turning up the temperature to every conversation you're in; stop it. I am telling you now. As far as I am concerned, on this board, you're a child with an email. Prove me wrong or move along. Until then, no one has any reason to give credence to your opinions. If you'd like, go to the comments section of Fox News or CNN, you can be anonymous there too. In this board, unless you carry a tag, you only carry the smallest possible amount of credibility.

Oh, by the way, you can ignore members of the staff or anyone that doesn't agree with your opinions, like @R.Caerbannog has pointed out before. I encourage you all to do this.

TO THE OTHER MEMBERS, PLEASE REMEMBER AND INTERNALIZE THIS FACT. You can ignore @Locksteady or @R.Caerbannog or me or anyone you want. You don't need to play along with a member that is here to antagonize. You can ignore them. If you remember, from the last time we did this whole dance in 2016- YOU ARENT GOING TO CHANGE ANYONE'S MIND EITHER WAY.

Everyone else- fucking knock it off. How many times does the staff need to tell you? Don't be emotional. This is a private site where you agreed to terms and conditions when you signed on. Lots of you are active military members. More of you are veterans. If you can't respond with the smallest modicum of respect for people, we don't want you here.

I don't speak for the rest of the staff, but y'all are fucking out of line.

 

[Locksteady]

@Locksteady I would really appreciate you adding supporting articles from newsworthy sources in these threads going forward.

I'll make more of an effort to do that.

@Locksteady you're an unvetted member of the board. You've made a habit of turning up the temperature to every conversation you're in; stop it.

Copy that.

 

[Devildoc]

Without wading through links and articles, can someone tell me who fired the first shot?

I agree, NO one 'deserved' to be killed. If the LEO fired the first shot, it is easy to believe the guy shot back in self-defense. Announce or no-announce, busting in scares the hell out of the occupants, especially in the middle of the night. It's been a while since I've been on a stack, but I do watch Chicago PD.

If the guy shot first, then LE was right to shoot back. Even so, you are accountable for every round.

 

[Locksteady]

Without wading through links and articles, can someone tell me who fired the first shot?

I agree, NO one 'deserved' to be killed. If the LEO fired the first shot, it is easy to believe the guy shot back in self-defense. Announce or no-announce, busting in scares the hell out of the occupants, especially in the middle of the night. It's been a while since I've been on a stack, but I do watch Chicago PD.

If the guy shot first, then LE was right to shoot back. Even so, you are accountable for every round.

The police (in plain clothes) only began shooting after Walker (the boyfriend) fired a shot after they forcibly came through the front door.

 

[Cookie_]

Without wading through links and articles, can someone tell me who fired the first shot?

I agree, NO one 'deserved' to be killed. If the LEO fired the first shot, it is easy to believe the guy shot back in self-defense. Announce or no-announce, busting in scares the hell out of the occupants, especially in the middle of the night. It's been a while since I've been on a stack, but I do watch Chicago PD.

If the guy shot first, then LE was right to shoot back. Even so, you are accountable for every round.

Boyfriend shot first. Said he heard banging on the door yelled for them to identify themselves (which he said he never heard), so he fired a shot when they kicked down the door.

Quite honestly, I'd have reacted the same way in this situation if someone busted my door down at 0030.

 

[Devildoc]

Boyfriend shot first. Said he heard banging on the door yelled for them to identify themselves (which he said he never heard), so he fired a shot when they kicked down the door.

Quite honestly, I'd have reacted the same way in this situation if someone busted my door down at 0030.

Whether they did/didn't (announce), I agree: if I didn't hear it, and someone came into my house, they are getting lit up. I understand the necessity of no-knocks (intended or 'assumed') but the results can be awful.

 

[AWP]

Boyfriend shot first. Said he heard banging on the door yelled for them to identify themselves (which he said he never heard), so he fired a shot when they kicked down the door.

Quite honestly, I'd have reacted the same way in this situation if someone busted my door down at 0030.

Wait, the boyfriend fired first and the cops returned fire? How can anyone make a case this is a race-based anything? You shoot at me, I shoot at you, and everything about you is irrelevant. Race, sex, age...none of that matters.