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well, shit.......
National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)
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Hopefully a legit shoot.
If not...well '21 is going to start off poorly. Especially given the location.
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A man was shot and killed by Minneapolis police during a traffic stop Wednesday night.
The incident occurred during a felony traffic stop at around 7 p.m. at the Holiday gas station at 36th Street and S. Cedar Avenue.
Late Wednesday, Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said the man fired first at police. A bullet hole was spotted in a squad at the scene. Police spokesman John Elder said the man shot was believed to be a felony suspect.
Elder did not say how many shots were fired or how many officers were involved.
The incident was captured on body camera and no officers were injured, Elder said. The officers involved were members of the Community Response Team (CRT), a specialized unit focused on high-crime areas, drugs and prostitution.
"Those officers have all been isolated and they're waiting to be interviewed" by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, he said.
According to emergency dispatch audio, an officer radioed immediately after the shooting: "Shots fired, officer needs help."
"We have two people inside the vehicle, one male is down, we still have one female in the car with her hands up," the officer said.
"We need perimeter, we need perimeter!" an officer said, keeping Cedar clear for medics. They called for no more squads in the parking lot of a Holiday gas station, blocking entrances except for emergency crews. Officers were advised to keep their body cameras turned on.
A crowd of about 50 gathered at the scene about an hour after the shooting while roads remained closed and yellow crime-scene tape surrounded the area. The crowd began demanding more information and shouting at police.
It was the first police killing in Minneapolis since the May 25 death of George Floyd by four since-fired Minneapolis police officers, which spurred widespread unrest and rioting in Minneapolis and protests across the city. The fatal shooting comes at a time when city leaders are debating how to change policing and public safety following Floyd's death. As they do that, they have been struggling to balance competing demands, some from people who want them to abolish the department, and others from people who are asking for more officers as they struggle to reduce crime during an especially violent year.
Shortly after Floyd's death, a majority of City Council members promised to work toward "ending" the Minneapolis Police Department, though they had varying ideas on how to do that. In the months since, they have cut roughly $9 million from the police department's budget, often by moving the money to other city services, such as violence prevention programs. They could choose to offset some of those cuts next year as they debate key issues, such as whether to approve additional recruit classes meant to help amid an officer shortage or to release funding for officers' overtime.
Staff writer Liz Navratil contributed to this report
The incident occurred during a felony traffic stop at around 7 p.m. at the Holiday gas station at 36th Street and S. Cedar Avenue.
Late Wednesday, Police Chief Medaria Arradondo said the man fired first at police. A bullet hole was spotted in a squad at the scene. Police spokesman John Elder said the man shot was believed to be a felony suspect.
Elder did not say how many shots were fired or how many officers were involved.
The incident was captured on body camera and no officers were injured, Elder said. The officers involved were members of the Community Response Team (CRT), a specialized unit focused on high-crime areas, drugs and prostitution.
"Those officers have all been isolated and they're waiting to be interviewed" by the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, he said.
According to emergency dispatch audio, an officer radioed immediately after the shooting: "Shots fired, officer needs help."
"We have two people inside the vehicle, one male is down, we still have one female in the car with her hands up," the officer said.
"We need perimeter, we need perimeter!" an officer said, keeping Cedar clear for medics. They called for no more squads in the parking lot of a Holiday gas station, blocking entrances except for emergency crews. Officers were advised to keep their body cameras turned on.
A crowd of about 50 gathered at the scene about an hour after the shooting while roads remained closed and yellow crime-scene tape surrounded the area. The crowd began demanding more information and shouting at police.
It was the first police killing in Minneapolis since the May 25 death of George Floyd by four since-fired Minneapolis police officers, which spurred widespread unrest and rioting in Minneapolis and protests across the city. The fatal shooting comes at a time when city leaders are debating how to change policing and public safety following Floyd's death. As they do that, they have been struggling to balance competing demands, some from people who want them to abolish the department, and others from people who are asking for more officers as they struggle to reduce crime during an especially violent year.
Shortly after Floyd's death, a majority of City Council members promised to work toward "ending" the Minneapolis Police Department, though they had varying ideas on how to do that. In the months since, they have cut roughly $9 million from the police department's budget, often by moving the money to other city services, such as violence prevention programs. They could choose to offset some of those cuts next year as they debate key issues, such as whether to approve additional recruit classes meant to help amid an officer shortage or to release funding for officers' overtime.
Staff writer Liz Navratil contributed to this report
One of the things I've seen regarding police reform I most agree with is the idea of a community council that is allowed to review footage of shootings with senior members of the PD.
The theory is that these influential community members (religious leaders, activists, etc) would be able to relay the perceived accuracy of the incident report, hopefully reducing the amount of people who'd be out protesting/rioting.
The theory is that these influential community members (religious leaders, activists, etc) would be able to relay the perceived accuracy of the incident report, hopefully reducing the amount of people who'd be out protesting/rioting.
Interesting. Do you think that would make a difference to the people who are out doing the rioting? I kind of doubt it.
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Riots/looting/protest only result from real incidents.
Latest Chicago and Minneapolis riots broke out over police killings that never happened
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Those types of boards/councils could work if it was only concerning protestors as those are generally peaceful.
The main problem is that these current instances are only acting as the catalyst to riot rather than fix a perceived wrong by protesting.
As someone who wore a badge for 30 years and worked more than 30 or so OIS, I found that many had rioters on site before the victim was even moved from the scene. It's a mentality that wants to commit crimes and not one that wants to serve as an action for "justice". Until that mindset changes, nothing will get better.
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We already have a system of justice. The activists want EXTRAJUDICIAL actions based on their views of right vs wrong. In other words, they want vigilante ”justice“ but labeled as “social justice“.
Sure that may work in liberal areas but then again, maybe not?
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I think it would also be beneficial for that civilian committee to undergo some type of police training to better understand the situation the cop was in.
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It's amazing to me that more civilian leadership doesn't take advantage of ride-along programs. I have even seen departments that don't have those programs allow their civilian leaders the opportunity to ride with them and see LE's interactions with the public. It could be of great benefit, but is rarely exercised.
I wouldn't be surprised if that information isn't widely known. If a program exists it's up to the organizations to broadcast it and inform the public. Positive interactions will only receive more support. Gotta sell it for it to happen.
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Indeed. I use to invite individuals to ride with me during the weekend night shifts since those were the most active shifts and would give people the most bang for their time invested. Many times I invited Pastors since they are generally a trusted source by large groups of the population. Other times I would invite leadership from various groups with influence throughout the area. Some did it...some didn't, but I always felt that those that did walked away from the experience with a different outlook on LE as a whole.
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COPS and Live PD were cancelled as was Adam-12 before that.
Damn hippies playing their rock & roll music on their record players at full volume. Gosh darn it and dad blast it!
That's because they're tripping on maryjane.COPS and Live PD were cancelled as was Adam-12 before that.
Damn hippies playing their rock & roll music on their record players at full volume. Gosh darn it and dad blast it!
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