National Protest and 'disband the cops' discussion (and now ICE)

Locksteady said:
Everyone feels this way about police who enforce laws they want to violate.
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Sure.. but this wasn't a law. a violation of a city ordinance is not criminal and at best a fine. The cop quite literally escalated and continued to escalate inside a private establishment. He also suggested that he was not being cooperative after he had been disarmed and was indeed just standing there.
 
Florida173 said:
Sure.. but this wasn't a law.
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Yes, it was.

Ordinance

Ordinance​

A law, statute, or regulation enacted by a Municipal Corporation.

An ordinance is a law passed by a municipal government. A municipality, such as a city, town, village, or borough, is a political subdivision of a state within which a municipal corporation has been established to provide local government to a population in a defined area.
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Florida173 said:
a violation of a city ordinance is not criminal and at best a fine.
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Nothing about this challenges what I said.
Florida173 said:
The cop quite literally escalated and continued to escalate inside a private establishment.
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This often happens when dealing with noncompliant lawbreakers.
Florida173 said:
He also suggested that he was not being cooperative after he had been disarmed and was indeed just standing there.
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And he is welcome to challenge that officer on his home turf - in court.
 
The moment the officer began the encounter he was hostile to the dude. He literally left the building, then the officer chased him with his taser drawn and was a complete and utter dickhead. He was literally compliant.
 
ThunderHorse said:
The moment the officer began the encounter he was hostile to the dude. He literally left the building, then the officer chased him with his taser drawn and was a complete and utter dickhead. He was literally compliant.
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And if he wants to argue compliance in court against the camera footage, well.. good luck to him, then!
 
Curious where that was filmed. Seems like the guy was getting ready to say something about the governor.

I know in Florida, our governor said that mask laws and ordinances are illegal to enforce. Maybe the same situation where this was filmed?

I do think it was dumb that the cop told the man to leave, then followed him out of the store to have his power trip. Maybe if he started the encounter with the slightest bit of mutual respect, or even a tone that showed something other than hostility, he might have received the same in return.
 
Locksteady said:
Yes, it was.

Ordinance



Nothing about this challenges what I said.

This often happens when dealing with noncompliant lawbreakers.

And he is welcome to challenge that officer on his home turf - in court.
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My point being that he wasn't committing a criminal act, but a municipal violation punishable by a fine. But thank you for being pedantic

And yet here we are.. The perpetrator of this heinous act in Waco Texas is only just demanding a public apology from the officer and department.
Waco PD investigating officer pulling taser on unmasked man


ETA: to that.. I don't even know what the fine to the individual is. I can only see the violation to the business for not requiring visitors. I'm sure there is one.. I mean it's on par with other city ordinances like littering..


ETA2: No citations had been given at this point, back in September, and they've been opting for educating apparently.
 
JedisonsDad said:
Maybe if he started the encounter with the slightest bit of mutual respect.
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Hard-pressed to start off any more respectfully than, rather than just arresting someone actively breaking the law in front of signs explaining that it was illegal to do so, instead breathing an audible sigh before asking him where his mask was, stating that it was illegal not to be wearing one inside, and telling him to leave until he had one.
 
I’m curious about the gun. Last time I was there, Texas wasn’t an open carry state.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the city/county/whatever decided to go with “brandishing” just to save face and justify the tazer.
 
Locksteady said:
Hard-pressed to start off any more respectfully than, rather than just arresting someone actively breaking the law in front of signs explaining that it was illegal to do so, instead breathing an audible sigh before asking him where his mask was, stating that it was illegal not to be wearing one inside, and telling him to leave until he had one.
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I think you’re grabbing at straws. It wasn’t just an audible sigh, he was barking a rhetorical question at him.

To play devil’s advocate, how did he know that the gentleman didn’t have a medical reason preventing him from wearing a mask? ADA laws protect people like that.
 
DA SWO said:
Where did this happen at?
Cop just pissed off another pro-cop individual.
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@Florida173 found it. Waco, Texas.

JedisonsDad said:
I’m curious about the gun. Last time I was there, Texas wasn’t an open carry state.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the city/county/whatever decided to go with “brandishing” just to save face and justify the tazer.
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If he has a Concealed Carry license in Texas that then allows him to open carry, apparently since 2016.

Open Carry | AustinTexas.gov.
 
Locksteady said:
Hard-pressed to start off any more respectfully than, rather than just arresting someone actively breaking the law in front of signs explaining that it was illegal to do so, instead breathing an audible sigh before asking him where his mask was, that it was illegal to have one, and that he needed to leave until he had one.
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Wrong on so many levels. Gov has superseded all county/city mask ordinances with a State order.
Work around is to fine the business for not requiring masks. Officer fatass should have found the manager.
The way it works is the Manager asks the customer to mask up or leave, the customer can then be cited for CIVIL trespass.

All Officer fatass did was piss off a lot of future jurors.

Cartman as a cop is supposed to be a cartoon, not an example of how to do it.

The guy arrested was wearing a body camera, I didn't see a clear sign requiring a mask as he walked in.

The only knock on the guy is Texas is very clear about LTC/PD interactions, and this guy will be used as an example of how not to do it.
 
Florida173 said:
My point being that he wasn't committing a criminal act, but a municipal violation punishable by a fine. But thank you for being pedantic
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Your nitpicking of my word choice didn't actually affect my point, so I didn't understand why you were making the distinction if you weren't addressing it.

And you're welcome too!
 
JedisonsDad said:
I think you’re grabbing at straws. It wasn’t just an audible sigh, he was barking a rhetorical question at him.

To play devil’s advocate, how did he know that the gentleman didn’t have a medical reason preventing him from wearing a mask? ADA laws protect people like that.
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Because he didn't provide a medical reason, and it is reasonable to ask someone why they are breaking a law if an exemption to it isn't immediately apparent.
 

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