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Another indication of the power of the media to shape public opinion and subsequent human behavior by excessively magnifying the perception of widespread violence by disproportionately broadcasting violent outliers among Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The study included everything from road barricades and petty vandalism to toppling statues, attacking businesses, and fighting back against the police in its broad definition of violence.
 
Locksteady said:
Another indication of the power of the media to shape public opinion and subsequent human behavior by excessively magnifying the perception of widespread violence by disproportionately broadcasting violent outliers among Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The study included everything from road barricades and petty vandalism to toppling statues, attacking businesses, and fighting back against the police in its broad definition of violence.
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It was brought up a couple of weeks ago when that was published, but are we supposed to judge it on a percentage or that actual cost of these riots? either figurative cost in votes going to Trump or actual cost of over a billion dollars. We can pretend that there isn't anything to see here, but that would be incredibly naive.

Exclusive: $1 billion-plus riot damage is most expensive in insurance history
 
Florida173 said:
It was brought up a couple of weeks ago when that was published, but are we supposed to judge it on a percentage or that actual cost of these riots?
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Judge what? All the article did was link a report with statistics showing that the violence during Black Lives Matters demonstrations was nowhere near as prevalent or widespread as both the media and professional talking heads have claimed.
Florida173 said:
either figurative cost in votes going to Trump or actual cost of over a billion dollars. We can pretend that there isn't anything to see here, but that would be incredibly naive.
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It's neither making a claim related to the total costs of damage incurred nor 'pretending' that 7% isn't anything to see here. Neither your point nor the article's findings are mutually exclusive to each other, and it is not helpful to the conversation to conflate the findings with an unwarranted conclusion that was never asserted.
 
Locksteady said:
Judge what? All the article did was link a report with statistics showing that the violence during Black Lives Matters demonstrations was nowhere near as prevalent or widespread as both the media and professional talking heads have claimed.It's neither making a claim related to the total costs of damage incurred nor 'pretending' that 7% isn't anything to see here. Neither your point nor the article's findings are mutually exclusive to each other, and it is not helpful to the conversation to conflate the findings with an unwarranted conclusion that was never asserted.
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It's true in healthcare, it's true in social work, it is true in law enforcement especially in the disadvantaged neighborhoods, 10% of the people require 90% of the time and resources. If 93% of the riotors are peaceful and only 7% are responsible for billions of dollars of damage, I think that is absolutely conversation worth having. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting your last point.
 
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Locksteady said:
Judge what? All the article did was link a report with statistics showing that the violence during Black Lives Matters demonstrations was nowhere near as prevalent or widespread as both the media and professional talking heads have claimed.It's neither making a claim related to the total costs of damage incurred nor 'pretending' that 7% isn't anything to see here. Neither your point nor the article's findings are mutually exclusive to each other, and it is not helpful to the conversation to conflate the findings with an unwarranted conclusion that was never asserted.
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Well that's either being intentionally obtuse or just trying to mislead us by suggesting that you were only linking an article without commentary. Your commentary was specific in that the media is ingeniously showing "Another indication of the power of the media to shape public opinion and subsequent human behavior by excessively magnifying the perception of widespread violence by disproportionately broadcasting violent outliers among Black Lives Matter demonstrations."
 
The study also points out that they break it down block by block some times. So if five city blocks are burning, that can be counted as one violent protest, but the four blocks on the opposite sides of the burning ones can be counted as four separate peaceful protests.

Unfortunately, something as scientific as data can be skewed to meet any narrative. Without knowing their exact standards, this article and referenced report can be lumped into the pile of “media influencing people”.
 
Someone needs to explain to me how harassing people while they're eating dinner is an effective vote changing tactic. This is San Diego:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307513308916797441

Glad to see the riots are back in Portland and Seattle. /snark

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Locksteady said:
Another indication of the power of the media to shape public opinion and subsequent human behavior by excessively magnifying the perception of widespread violence by disproportionately broadcasting violent outliers among Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The study included everything from road barricades and petty vandalism to toppling statues, attacking businesses, and fighting back against the police in its broad definition of violence.
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This report has been posted twice previously. Posts 2,110 and 2,195. Yes, they included everything, they get down to the nitty gritty like @JedisonsDad stated basically separating three blocks of one protest from the same protest because one place arson wasn't committed. Which is pretty damned selective.
 
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ThunderHorse said:
Someone needs to explain to me how harassing people while they're eating dinner is an effective vote changing tactic. This is San Diego:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1307513308916797441

Glad to see the riots are back in Portland and Seattle. /snark

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This report has been posted twice previously. Posts 2,110 and 2,195. Yes, they included everything, they get down to the nitty gritty like @JedisonsDad stated basically separating three blocks of one protest from the same protest because one place arson wasn't committed. Which is pretty damned selective.
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The whole article reeks of bias on how they present the data
 
Locksteady said:
Another indication of the power of the media to shape public opinion and subsequent human behavior by excessively magnifying the perception of widespread violence by disproportionately broadcasting violent outliers among Black Lives Matter demonstrations.

93% of Black Lives Matter Protests Have Been Peaceful, New Report Finds

The study included everything from road barricades and petty vandalism to toppling statues, attacking businesses, and fighting back against the police in its broad definition of violence.
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Even if we are to take the claim that only 7% of BLM protests are violent, IMO it only tells part of the story. I'd be interested to see the statistics, if any, regarding those who are apologists for such destructive/threatening behavior but do/did not directly participate.
 
Florida173 said:
Well that's either being intentionally obtuse or just trying to mislead us by suggesting that you were only linking an article without commentary.
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No, it isn't, nor does it suggest anything about whether my post had commentary - much less try to 'mislead' people into thinking that something they can scroll up to see is suddenly not there.

Hell, I don't even have those editing privileges. :ROFLMAO:

It focuses on the fact that you asked about how to judge 'something' that was 'brought up a couple of weeks ago when that was published' in terms of 'figurative cost in votes going to Trump or actual cost of over a billion dollars'.

Unless a claim in my commentary directly prompted that question in those metrics, there is no basis to construe my pointing out the disparity between your question and the actual claims in the article as an intentional bait-and-switch, since there is no advantage to be gained for me by doing it.

This being the case, what you did may be the actual misleading element in this discussion, since you're purposely shifting attention towards a less relevant element of the post that ultimately holds no bearing to the original point.

Or, as some prefer, a classic red herring.
 
SaintKP said:
or watched as their dad gets executed while they're in the backseat of the car didn't wake them up. This won't either.
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That's a bit very inflammatory given that their dad was at the residence of a woman that he had sexually assaulted, had a knife, not just any knife, but a karambit, had been tased and fought back before going for the front seat of the car while continually making threats against the police.

I hate it for the kids, I really do, but let's not use them as pawns to make points.
 
compforce said:
That's a bit very inflammatory given that their dad was at the residence of a woman that he had sexually assaulted, had a knife, not just any knife, but a karambit, had been tased and fought back before going for the front seat of the car while continually making threats against the police.

I hate it for the kids, I really do, but let's not use them as pawns to make points.
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That's not what I was talking about at all, I was referencing the massive increase in terms gang violence and shootings across the Country. Nothing I said had anything to do with Police related shootings.

To add, I'll have to find the specific instances I had referenced give me a few.
 
Locksteady said:
No, it isn't, nor does it suggest anything about whether my post had commentary - much less try to 'mislead' people into thinking that something they can scroll up to see is suddenly not there.

Hell, I don't even have those editing privileges. :ROFLMAO:

It focuses on the fact that you asked about how to judge 'something' that was 'brought up a couple of weeks ago when that was published' in terms of 'figurative cost in votes going to Trump or actual cost of over a billion dollars'.

Unless a claim in my commentary directly prompted that question in those metrics, there is no basis to construe my pointing out the disparity between your question and the actual claims in the article as an intentional bait-and-switch, since there is no advantage to be gained for me by doing it.

This being the case, what you did may be the actual misleading element in this discussion, since you're purposely shifting attention towards a less relevant element of the post that ultimately holds no bearing to the original point.

Or, as some prefer, a classic red herring.
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So the riots weren’t that big of deal?
 

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