Orlando shooting

Wherein does the "guilt" lie: the sender or the receiver?

How does tone convey in text without change in font?

Nonsense about the "unfortunate" implications of President Obama's full name goes back as far as his first campaign.

Asking these sorts of questions at this point, therefore, is argument from incredulity, IMO.
 
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Guilt? Come on homey.

Because it does. I obviously wasn't the only one who thought so.

Did you just use the "because I said so" defense? :p

No, I meant feeling (interpreting) that using his full name is offensive or conveys some type of derogatory theme.

Some here felt as you did but there were obviously others that did not. I do believe that some use BHO to convey their belief that he is a Muslim and/or he's foreign born. I also believe that some feel it's just his name. So when someone is offended by a controversial topic (flag, symbol, etc), does the fault of the offense lie with the commenter/poster or is just the offended who bears responsibility because they dislike the image/words?

I really don't think there are many members here who hide behind veiled comments: the majority do express their feelings. Even some of us, myself included, have actually changed their viewpoints based on posts made here.

The reality is the President has repeatedly made comments and acted in ways towards Muslims that honestly don't make sense to Joe 6-pack (e.g. bowing to King, pronunciation of Pakistan, views on Islam, etc). In the absence of direct explanations, alternative narratives that "make sense" prevail.
 
Josh Kraushaar on Twitter

Attorney General Loretta Lynch is pushing for the release of the transcripts while hiding the true motivations behind the attacks.

This manipulation of the story is very crucial as Republicans, Democrats Interpret Orlando Incident Differently

79% of Republicans describe it as an act of Islamic terrorism

60% of Democrats interpret it as domestic gun violence


"He kept talking about ISIS. This isn't helpful. This needs to be a mass shooting about gun control." "Delete the ISIS parts!"
 
I understand your point, but the tone of it often tries to imply he is a Muslim. Acting as if it doesn't try and do that is just as much complete and utter bullshit.

Wherein does the "guilt" lie: the sender or the receiver?

How does tone convey in text without change in font?
I believe what lindy is trying to say is, we just entered micro-aggression territory.
 
I believe what lindy is trying to say is, we just entered micro-aggression territory.

Did we though? Is it a micro aggression to think a passive aggressive means of pretending our president is a Muslim to make a wink wink point is stupid? If so then I guess I am micro aggressed.

In reality I think it is stupid to try and hint at Obama being a Muslim, just like I think it is stupid that people think:he isn't a citizen, SF guys are taking over Texas, Mexicans are taking our jobs, we need a wall, and so on. It is a weak argument and cheapens anyone's stance.
 
Did we though? Is it a micro aggression to think a passive aggressive means of pretending our president is a Muslim to make a wink wink point is stupid? If so then I guess I am micro aggressed.

In reality I think it is stupid to try and hint at Obama being a Muslim, just like I think it is stupid that people think:he isn't a citizen, SF guys are taking over Texas, Mexicans are taking our jobs, we need a wall, and so on. It is a weak argument and cheapens anyone's stance.
You had me on your side until you got to the wall.
 
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Their complete methodology is here if you think their sampling or estimation method is flawed.

My only complaint is that @DocIllinois didn't post the more updated version, which demonstrates that not only was net immigration halted, but it actually reversed between the year 2009 and 2014
http://www.pewhispanic.org/files/2015/11/2015-11-19_mexican-immigration__FINAL.pdf
The most recent data cited in that page is 2011, that was 5 years ago (I think).

Also, most of it was Mexican gov't figures. The Mexican gov't is a proponent of illegal immigration to the US, and denies that it even occurs in some cases.
 
Mexican sources cross-referenced with three different American sources. The limitations of the Mexican survey (Encuesta Nacional de la Dinámica Demográfica—ENADID) are acknowledged here:

The ENADID has some limitations when it comes to providing full coverage of migration flows between Mexico and the U.S. All migrants into Mexico in the period before the survey (who are still alive and still in Mexico) can be identified. However, for recent out-migrants, only those migrants from households where some members remained in Mexico can be identified. ENADID is not able to measure outmigration of whole households.

The migrant sample includes only a limited amount of socio-demographic data on the migrants. However, most of the recent migrants who have returned to Mexico (i.e., those who returned to the same household) can be linked to their own record in the household and sociodemographic data. For 2014, we were able to match 90% the returned recent migrants (739 unweighted cases out of 818 returnees in the migrant sample). Because some migrants make multiple trips to the U.S., some of the returned recent migrants (i.e., those who made a trip out of Mexico after August 2009 in 2014) were living in the U.S. five years before the survey. In measuring total migration into Mexico, it is necessary to remove this group from the estimate to avoid double counting. Using the matched samples, 30% of the returned recent migrants in the 2014 ENADID had been in the U.S. five years earlier.

The data from ENADID employed in this report were developed from tabulations of microdata samples. The microdata come from a 93% sample of the full ENADID sample (101,000 households); all cases in the recent migrant sample are included in the microdata. For 2014, microdata samples were downloaded from the INEGI website (entered at http://www.inegi.org.mx/est/contenidos/proyectos/encuestas/hogares/
especiales/enadid/enadid2014/default.aspx
). The sample sizes for the microdata are: 94,422 households, 348,450 people living in those households and a sample of 2,289 recent migrants.
 
We are about 100 miles off topic. I did my pet to get us there. Let's get back to topic.
 
Build a hideously expensive wall to keep out an illegal migration that has come to a standstill, and may have even reversed - a refulgent notion!

Net Migration From Mexico Falls to Zero - and Perhaps Less

The Good Idea Fairy works strongly on our man Donnie.
We are still being flooded with illegals, mainly from other countries who travel through Mexico.
Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese are 3 of the top 4.
Chinese take IT jobs, then steal all our intellectual data; Pakistanis are just not who I want running through my yard at night.
 
We have this elsewhere, but this IS the Orlando thread.

DOJ to scrub Islam references from transcripts of Orlando terrorist's calls to police | Fox News

The Department of Justice is scrubbing references of radical Islamic beliefs from the transcripts of calls Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen made to police during his massacre, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said Sunday.

What the FUCK?!?!?!

As I type this CNN has two small stories related to Orland, both buried well down the page. I think Fox is no different that any other "news" corporation with an agenda, but for CNN to drop the story? Yeah, no agenda going on here....:rolleyes:

ETA: The Orlando paper has also removed Lynch's promise to remove the references.

Orlando gunman's conversations with police from inside nightclub to be released
 
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