Neat.
Podcasts.
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policemedic
Verified SWAT
Jimmy has done an enormous amount of good for the K9 community.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
All I have to say is that I didn't do much in the Service, trained some really great Soldiers who are going to be SGM's very soon and couldn't be more proud of them. But I see Mil Twitter is now going after Shrek. Good times.
Devildoc
Verified Military
That's really sad and disappointing. I don't know him well at all, I have been to a couple of his classes and have texted/messaged with him and he always seemed like a pretty solid guy.
It's all of them, dude. Never meet your heroes.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Are you next to be slayed? 'Cause you're my hero....
Here's the thing about me, Peaches, Tret, Nate, a bunch of dudes in our circle- not only do we not embellish our "war stories", we rarely talk about specifics and when we do we always err on the side of "we didn't do anything special" as opposed to "worship me and pay me for my job". It's a fool-proof way to not end up looking like an entitled, lying douchebag later in life. So I am going to keep doing that.
I am just gonna start all my appearances with my 214. "Here's what I did, here's what I earned, nothing more, nothing less, and I don't care if you think I am cool or not."
Devildoc
Verified Military
That's the way it should be. Unfortunately, it's not the way it is.
This isn't rocket surgery. Don't misrepresent yourself and certainly don't outright lie about yourself. In this day and age, people can dig up an amazing amount on someone and the more visible one is, the more likely someone's going to dig into their past and open the closet. Podcasters taken in by these frauds? I don't blame them so much, especially for the Shrek's and TK's of the world, but once the fraud is outed those podcasters have a duty to mark up or even pull the episode(s). Failing to do so makes them complicit in continuing the lie.
The TK's, Shrek's, O'Neill's, and (most likely) Luttrell's of the world made bank from the lies. They established and or promoted a brand based on fiction. Let's be honest, that's stolen valor. We hate to point that finger at another vet, but that's what it is and that decision was deliberately made by the fraudster.
People, even on this board, will say "why are you tearing them down? Vet on vet crime, you should be ashamed. How dare you equate them with xxxx" and on and on. That's wild, people supporting a known liar and shitbag because they were a vet in some capacity. Or attack the messenger because they weren't in x unit or had y badge to their name. Really? You have to be a SEAL to detect fraud by a SEAL? Or a Ranger? Or any other job or unit for that matter? And anyone equating trying to score ass at a bar and profiting from a lie is a fucking idiot. They aren't even close. What next? We're going to defend DUI arrests? "He's driven like that for years and .11 is his normal" or some such nonsense.
Truth isn't subjective. Simple facts aren't subjective. There's showmanship and then there's fraud. Some guys like the aforementioned clowns use both, but only one is excusable (if it even needs an excuse).
And we shouldn't feel bad for these guys when they (hopefully) lose everything. They made up their stories, they created their brand, they perpetuated the lies year after year. That's premeditated. In Murderville that gets you death row or life without parole. They gave away their name, no one took it from them and the consequences shouldn't be trivial.
The TK's, Shrek's, O'Neill's, and (most likely) Luttrell's of the world made bank from the lies. They established and or promoted a brand based on fiction. Let's be honest, that's stolen valor. We hate to point that finger at another vet, but that's what it is and that decision was deliberately made by the fraudster.
People, even on this board, will say "why are you tearing them down? Vet on vet crime, you should be ashamed. How dare you equate them with xxxx" and on and on. That's wild, people supporting a known liar and shitbag because they were a vet in some capacity. Or attack the messenger because they weren't in x unit or had y badge to their name. Really? You have to be a SEAL to detect fraud by a SEAL? Or a Ranger? Or any other job or unit for that matter? And anyone equating trying to score ass at a bar and profiting from a lie is a fucking idiot. They aren't even close. What next? We're going to defend DUI arrests? "He's driven like that for years and .11 is his normal" or some such nonsense.
Truth isn't subjective. Simple facts aren't subjective. There's showmanship and then there's fraud. Some guys like the aforementioned clowns use both, but only one is excusable (if it even needs an excuse).
And we shouldn't feel bad for these guys when they (hopefully) lose everything. They made up their stories, they created their brand, they perpetuated the lies year after year. That's premeditated. In Murderville that gets you death row or life without parole. They gave away their name, no one took it from them and the consequences shouldn't be trivial.
The same group of people will go absoletely ape-shit if they see some dork wearing a hat they care about in Waffle House and ask them to justify the fact that they're wearing it, but if those same people were on instagram and not eating some delicisous smothered/coverd/hashed/whatever they just sort of let it go and then defend it? Make it make sense.
I don't care, anyone who catches strays and deserves them can fuck right off, I do not care. The only thing it does is highlihgt the people that have been doing it the right way.
I said it before, but the entire MilTok/Mil Influencer landscape needs a correction, and this stuff is it. If you think that McPhee is the last one, and jot just another one, you're wrong.
Burn it down. Does anyone need a research assistant?
Devildoc
Verified Military
I just had this conversation. There are going to be multiple downhill consequences because this is just the tip of the iceberg (or should I say 'tip of the spear'? Ha!). People wearing a 'whatever' ballcap or T-shirt because their buddy or son or whoever gave it to them as a gift are going to get grief in public.
"going to"? Bro we have a whole thread on it. I used to be on a Signal chat that has like 1000 current and former J's on it (basically everyone that has ever worn the beret) and finding people saying they're a PJ to their 100 followers on Facebook takes up about 80% of their given attention.
I literally don't care if you wear the flash or the angel or whatever other signage we have. It's easy to figure out if you were or weren't and that has nothing to do with me, at all. Wear whatever you want.
Last year at SHOT I was walking around Las Vegas, near my hotel, hundreds of people on the street. I saw a young, fit-looking guy wearing a 160th t-shirt and minding his own business with a couple of buddies. Cool! My old unit. "Hey, how's it going? I saw your shirt, were you in the 160th?" He was probably too young to be a pilot, but maybe a support guy or a crew chief. He seemed to immediately get really nervous, almost apologetic. "No, no, a friend in the unit gave this shirt to me, I'm not trying to pretend like I was in it." Very weird reaction. A shirt is just a shirt bro, it's OK to wear it. Thanks for advertising for our unit.
The only reason for that kind of reaction is the "you can't wear that" vetbro crowd. Wear what you want as long as you're not trying to represent yourself as something you're not.
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