Poser Busting

[Devildoc]

Man some of those guys that run as G’s know more about being an SF guy than some SF guys.

They can critique your order like an RI. They get given that stuff and they can wear it.

If we gave a guy a team shirt, the expectation is that they will wear it.

With my work with the schoolhouse, 3rd grp, and MARSOC, I have hats, coins, team patches (no shirts). If I wear a hat and someone comments I am quick to point out I work 'with' and not 'for', and I am neither a Green Beret nor Raider. I have zero expectation of getting anything, always honored when I am given something.

 

[Teufel]

With my work with the schoolhouse, 3rd grp, and MARSOC, I have hats, coins, team patches (no shirts). If I wear a hat and someone comments I am quick to point out I work 'with' and not 'for', and I am neither a Green Beret nor Raider. I have zero expectation of getting anything, always honored when I am given something.

People are sensitive about these things. I think that someone who works for MARSOC, or the MARSOC school house, in any capacity should be able to wear a MARSOC hat or shirt as you are very much a member of that command. It shouldn't matter if you are in the G1 or a team/platoon. To me, that's no different than being part of MARFORCYBER or any other unit. Now I wouldn't suggest wearing an emblem that implies that someone is a Raider when they are not but these are two very different things to me.

Additional thoughts:

He knew it was a lie when he did it. All he had to do was say "recommended" instead of "awarded" and it would have been 100% factual. But he didn't. Why? Because having something "awarded" looks far better on an application than something "recommended." He lied and took an unfair advantage in the application process. How much of a difference it made in him getting it I don't know, because he was extraordinarily qualified for it even without the BSM. But he did it. It opens the door to what other things he is, or has been, lying about.

He also failed to correct at least two incidents where someone intro'd him as having the BSM. So he let the lie continue. And how did they know he (allegedly) had a BSM in the first place? It wasn't from his Fellowship bio, because it's not listed there. So... who was telling these people that he had a BSM?

Service members are weird about awards. Most Americans do not know what it is like to defend their nation and I think it is very commendable to serve in the military, in any capacity. The reality is that very few people will experience the aspects of uniform service that you see on TV or in the movies. This does not detract from anyone's service. I think that some people, however, feel like they need to exaggerate the nature of their service. You see this all the time. The infantryman becomes a Green Beret, despite never graduating the Q course. The achievement medal becomes a Bronze Star. It's a disease that strikes many veterans. It seems like Governor Moore served his country honorably and participated in combat operations. He has a lot to be proud of, but unfortunately this lie will ultimately taint the character of his service.

 

[Marauder06]

Keep your day job...

Hey, it ain't easy being this funny and witty.

 

[Marauder06]

Article directly related to the first sentence: Sometimes A Hat Is Just A Hat • The Havok Journal

"Pineland" isn't an Army unit. it's not a certification, or a qualification. You don't wear an official "Pineland" tab on your uniform the rest of your career. There is no Pineland colored beret. I don't think anyone would reasonably assume that someone merely wearing Pineland materiel is trying to make people think they're SF.

I went on the Pineland Underground podcast a year or two ago and they gave me a Pineland Underground shirt, which I wore to the gym often and think I still have somewhere. Last year at SHOT I attended the SF Association dinner as a non-SF guest and one of the things everyone got was a Pineland t-shirt. If they didn't want us non-SF types to wear that stuff, they wouldn't be giving it to us. It's free advertising for SF, the SF Association, and Pineland Underground. Why wouldn't they want us to wear it?

I work with two active duty SF NCOs and so far neither of them have batted an eye about my Pineland paraphernalia. Next time I'm in the office I'll do an experiment and make sure they both observe me wearing one of my Pineland shirts, and if they have anything at all to say about it, I'll report back. But I sincerely doubt they will care one iota. But if they both spontaneously jump up and beat my ass over it, I'll assume I was wrong. ;)

Wait, you asked how the SF community views this. I'll leave that part to actual SF guys here on the site to opine-land (see what I did there?) about that part.

Wore my Pineland t-shirt to work today (I'm a civilian now, I can do that). Had a conversation with both of my SF colleagues while wearing it. Neither of them cared. Nor did any of the other SF-qual'd officers and NCOs I passed on campus today.

No summarized ass whipping = hypothesis confirmed.

 

[Gunz]

It's a disease that strikes many veterans. It seems like Governor Moore served his country honorably and participated in combat operations. He has a lot to be proud of, but unfortunately this lie will ultimately taint the character of his service.

Brings to mind John Bradley. He got a Navy Cross for heroism on Iwo Jima for recovering the wounded under heavy fire...and yet took credit for being in the iconic Flag Raising photo--when he wasn't--by remaining silent about it until his death.

The Navy Cross just wasn't enough for him.

 

[Teufel]

Brings to mind John Bradley. He got a Navy Cross for heroism on Iwo Jima for recovering the wounded under heavy fire...and yet took credit for being in the iconic Flag Raising photo--when he wasn't--by remaining silent about it until his death.

The Navy Cross just wasn't enough for him.

Bradley raised the first flag, not the second. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He could have been confused on which photo he was in.

 

[Kraut783]

Wasn't the filmed iconic raising of the flag staged (second one), as the first one was not filmed?

Edit: NVM..."Rosenthal had to quickly decide whether to photograph both flags simultaneously or to focus on the second flag as it was being raised. He chose the second flag, capturing a genuine moment in history."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/world/iwo-jima-inside-story-trnd/index.html

 

[Ooh-Rah]

It’s good to see that wearing unauthorized ribbons is still considered a cardinal sin…

Senior Enlisted Marine Reduced to Sergeant for Wearing Unauthorized Awards, Including Purple Heart | Military.com

Per a plea agreement, then-Sgt. Maj. Charlie Clawson was reduced in rank after a Sept. 13 court-martial found him in violation of nine specifications of wearing awards or devices that he did not earn, a Marine Corps spokesperson confirmed to the publication.

His charges also included providing a false statement and engaging in "conduct that is prejudicial to good order and discipline," the latter of which he faced nine specifications of, one for each unearned award or device he wore, the charge sheet said.

According to the charges, Clawson wore the items over a nearly five-year period, to include when he was the senior enlisted leader of the 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion aboard Camp Pendleton, California.

 

[Box]

AAAAAAND...
...boom goes the dynamite

 

[The Quartermaster]

SMH, at that pay grade one doesn't need anything to fluff your resume, having made it to an end of an ending is already speaking for itself.

 

[Gunz]

It’s good to see that wearing unauthorized ribbons is still considered a cardinal sin…

Senior Enlisted Marine Reduced to Sergeant for Wearing Unauthorized Awards, Including Purple Heart | Military.com

Per a plea agreement, then-Sgt. Maj. Charlie Clawson was reduced in rank after a Sept. 13 court-martial found him in violation of nine specifications of wearing awards or devices that he did not earn, a Marine Corps spokesperson confirmed to the publication.

His charges also included providing a false statement and engaging in "conduct that is prejudicial to good order and discipline," the latter of which he faced nine specifications of, one for each unearned award or device he wore, the charge sheet said.

According to the charges, Clawson wore the items over a nearly five-year period, to include when he was the senior enlisted leader of the 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion aboard Camp Pendleton, California.

He needed to be kicked the fuck out. I'm serious. SgtMaj or not. He not only wore combat bling he didn't earn, he fucking lied about having a PHD. And gave false statements to investigators. His lying ass is lucky he's still got three stripes.

 

[Gunz]

Bradley raised the first flag, not the second. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He could have been confused on which photo he was in.

I don’t know, sir. His son was writing a book about the flag raising, the famous one, and apparently Bradley kept his mouth shut and let his son embarrass himself in print.

Wasn't the filmed iconic raising of the flag staged (second one), as the first one was not filmed?

Edit: NVM..."Rosenthal had to quickly decide whether to photograph both flags simultaneously or to focus on the second flag as it was being raised. He chose the second flag, capturing a genuine moment in history."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/world/iwo-jima-inside-story-trnd/index.html

I never heard it was staged. My understanding was that after the first one went up, somebody decided to send up a bigger flag that could be seen all over the island, hence the second raising. It’s not like Rosenthal was out there positioning everybody for the shot. The battle was still going on. They raised it, he took a picture, end of story, Semper Fi.

 

[DA SWO]

It’s good to see that wearing unauthorized ribbons is still considered a cardinal sin…

Senior Enlisted Marine Reduced to Sergeant for Wearing Unauthorized Awards, Including Purple Heart | Military.com

Per a plea agreement, then-Sgt. Maj. Charlie Clawson was reduced in rank after a Sept. 13 court-martial found him in violation of nine specifications of wearing awards or devices that he did not earn, a Marine Corps spokesperson confirmed to the publication.

His charges also included providing a false statement and engaging in "conduct that is prejudicial to good order and discipline," the latter of which he faced nine specifications of, one for each unearned award or device he wore, the charge sheet said.

According to the charges, Clawson wore the items over a nearly five-year period, to include when he was the senior enlisted leader of the 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion aboard Camp Pendleton, California.

Holy shit.
Ignore the PH for a second.
His fake ass ribbons were mainly "I was there" awards.
2 Sea Service vice the 7 he wore.
JMUA
GWOTEM
Combat Action Ribbon
Kosovo Campaign
NATO Medal
Navy/Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon.

Navy Marine Corps Parachutist insignia (aka Jump Wings)

Add a fake PhD.

This guy got out of deploying by faking deployments.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Holy shit.
Ignore the PH for a second.
His fake ass ribbons were mainly "I was there" awards.
2 Sea Service vice the 7 he wore.
JMUA
GWOTEM
Combat Action Ribbon
Kosovo Campaign
NATO Medal
Navy/Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon.

Navy Marine Corps Parachutist insignia (aka Jump Wings)

Add a fake PhD.

This guy got out of deploying by faking deployments.

We were being told that even as late as 2009, that only 44% of the US Army had deployed. That was adding up all elements from the regulars, reserves, and the national guard combined as one.

That made me mad. I already knew that cowards in the NCO ranks were mostly hiding in TRADOC but hose numbers are only in the tens of thousands but way more in numbers than USAREC, also almost entirely NCO's as well.

I had known that a certain portion of females, not all of them though, had gotten out of deploying with either getting pregnant before but those numbers were small I believe. The females and even some males that had no one to take care of their kids while gone gone and left behind on rear D, were very small numbers as well.

So let's say 6% weaseled out as a whole. So now my question was that day, where the F did the other 50% come from?? Guard? Reserves? Both the Guard and the Reserves combined together are slightly lesser than the full size of the US Army regulars from each and every segment of it.

Ooooo, my jimmies were rustled that day.

This Marine reminds me of one CSM I had the displeasure of being under in regiment at 11th ACR, had the nerve without joking that he was going to be the next SMA, but no combat patch at the incomer's brief for all new NCO's. When we buried an E-6 from 11th whom succumbed to wounds from a mortar strike, he was in Class A's and not only had no combat patch, no combat stripes, but no overseas awards, no Korea service ribbon, not even air assault, airborne, or any other type of wings.

But he sure as shit had a USAREC badge. What a cowardly bitch.

 

[Devildoc]

Holy shit.
Ignore the PH for a second.
His fake ass ribbons were mainly "I was there" awards.
2 Sea Service vice the 7 he wore.
JMUA
GWOTEM
Combat Action Ribbon
Kosovo Campaign
NATO Medal
Navy/Marine Corps Overseas Service Ribbon.

Navy Marine Corps Parachutist insignia (aka Jump Wings)

Add a fake PhD.

This guy got out of deploying by faking deployments.

The biggest transgressions were the CAR and PH. Those alone should raise eyebrows. Pull at those and the other threads unravel.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

The biggest transgressions were the CAR and PH. Those alone should raise eyebrows. Pull at those and the other threads unravel.

If we’re ranking, the Purple Heart seems most egregious. I’m sure there are plenty of dudes running around with unearned CAR’s and have at least one story at the ready…you have to be another level of asshole to fake a PH.

 

[Gunz]

If we’re ranking, the Purple Heart seems most egregious. I’m sure there are plenty of dudes running around with unearned CAR’s and have at least one story at the ready…you have to be another level of asshole to fake a PH.

We had an AFSOF member here who lost a leg to an IED. We had an SF member here who got his hand practically blown off and needed many surgeries. There are guys walking around with their faces burned off.

Indeed, Brother, wearing a PH he didn’t earn is next level scumbag....and IMO, deserving a boot right out of the Corps.

 

[Marauder06]

We had an AFSOF member here who lost a leg to an IED. We had an SF member here who got his hand practically blown off and needed many surgeries. There are guys walking around with their faces burned off.

Indeed, Brother, wearing a PH he didn’t earn is next level scumbag....and IMO, deserving a boot right out of the Corps.

Many years ago, I visited an SF member of our site at Walter Reed after he got wounded (the second time) in Afghanistan and got a significant part of his leg blown off.

When I got to his hospital room, a different SF member of our site (former 18D) was debriding his hand, and the wounded Green Beret (also 18D), in between bouts of passing out from the drugs and probably the pain, was having a peer-to-peer discussion with the doctor over his treatment. It was one of the most incredible things I've seen. Many people here know one or both of the above men.

A different friend of mine is missing his entire right leg and suffered all kinds of other injuries after he was blown up (2nd Purple Heart) in Iraq.

Those men earned their Purple Hearts, and everything else America gave them.

Fully concur on the "scumbag" label for fakers.

 

[Devildoc]

Many years ago, I visited an SF member of our site at Walter Reed after he got wounded (the second time) in Afghanistan and got a significant part of his leg blown off.

When I got to his hospital room, a different SF member of our site (former 18D) was debriding his hand, and the wounded Green Beret (also 18D), in between bouts of passing out from the drugs and probably the pain, was having a peer-to-peer discussion with the doctor over his treatment. It was one of the most incredible things I've seen. Many people here know one or both of the above men.

A different friend of mine is missing his entire right leg and suffered all kinds of other injuries after he was blown up (2nd Purple Heart) in Iraq.

Those men earned their Purple Hearts, and everything else America gave them.

Fully concur on the "scumbag" label for fakers.

Inversely, this is also why you see some people who earned a PH albeit for a minor would not wear it, because they feel they didn't deserve it. We all know those guys, too.

 

[Muppet]

Many years ago, I visited an SF member of our site at Walter Reed after he got wounded (the second time) in Afghanistan and got a significant part of his leg blown off.

When I got to his hospital room, a different SF member of our site (former 18D) was debriding his hand, and the wounded Green Beret (also 18D), in between bouts of passing out from the drugs and probably the pain, was having a peer-to-peer discussion with the doctor over his treatment. It was one of the most incredible things I've seen. Many people here know one or both of the above men.

A different friend of mine is missing his entire right leg and suffered all kinds of other injuries after he was blown up (2nd Purple Heart) in Iraq.

Those men earned their Purple Hearts, and everything else America gave them.

Fully concur on the "scumbag" label for fakers.

I know both men, Maria and I visited the 18D at Walter Reed, his positive attitude was beyond belief.

The other 18D, besides being a fucking crazy man is a man I consider to be a friend.

Frankly, both men are 2 of the best men I know.