Poser Busting

[pardus]

If your going to bust posers....be accurate. "...an EOD patch where his combat patch should be..." well, ya that is fucked up, but his unit patch should be there Einstein, not a "combat" patch.

(statement is made for the creator of the film)

NO! Stop posting shit online showing why posers uniforms are jacked up!
All you are doing is educating posers how to be better posers!!!

Stop it for fucksake!

Fucking military personal are our own worst enemies! Fucking jesus h christ!

 

[AKkeith]

Good thing posers are fucking STUPID. If you really wanted you could read all the orders on uniforms, read all the books on training, read all the book on combat, read unit history and come up with a really accurate story... minus the whole you being there part. It would take a lot of time and effort that were all lucky they are too dumb to put in.

 

[pardus]

Good thing posers are fucking STUPID. If you really wanted you could read all the orders on uniforms, read all the books on training, read all the book on combat, read unit history and come up with a really accurate story... minus the whole you being there part. It would take a lot of time and effort that were all lucky they are too dumb to put in.

Bullshit. Dumb cunts in the military will educate them enough to the point they will be identical to us. Then watch when terrorists catch on to this trick!
I hate everyone who posts these videos showing the deficiencies of the posers. Dumb cunts!

 

[AKkeith]

What do you disagree with? That the information is already out there for them to find? I agree this may be an easier method for them to comprehend and then fix them selfs.

 

[AWP]

NO! Stop posting shit online showing why posers uniforms are jacked up!
All you are doing is educating posers how to be better posers!!!

Stop it for fucksake!

Fucking military personal are our own worst enemies! Fucking jesus h christ!

Because the US Army (or any service) uniform standards aren't available to anyone with the Google and an Internet machine?

 

[pardus]

Because the US Army (or any service) uniform standards aren't available to anyone with the Google and an Internet machine?

That's part of my point, these posers are too fucking stupid to look this stuff up, but dickheads in the Military go out of their way to make it easy for posers to get this shit right.
I want to be able to easily spot these pricks when they pop up.
Youtube is a goldmine for posers thanks to our own fucking people.
Bust posers, go nuts, but be smart about it and don't help them be better posers.

 

[Red Flag 1]

It really does seem, that there is no shortage of people out there strutting around in costume. With all the coverage by sites like "Stolen Valor", Don Shipley's "Extreme SEAL", and "This Ain't Hell but...." you would think the message would have some impact. Still, they turn up nearly every day, a new poser looking for unearned notarity, discounts, flight upgrades, etc., etc. Like Pardus points out, a lot of eyes are watching, and no doubt taking notes. If you are not careful about how you expose the poser, the real deal military member/vet, can wind up in worse thouble that the poser ever will; another score for the PC crowd. Things are badly and now predictably upside down and being noted; as Pardus has pointed out, this is not taking place in a vacuum.

 

[Ooh-Rah]

Tosh of Tosh.o takes on stolen valor -

http://on.cc.com/1JIOSNC

 

[Salt USMC]

Tosh of Tosh.o takes on stolen valor -

http://on.cc.com/1JIOSNC

That was such a good video

 

[Gunz]

That was such a good video

Yeah, "Ronny" was a piece of work. "What rank are you?" "Uh...sniper?"

 

[AKkeith]

God damnit Ronny!!! People are going to think I made this shit up!

 

[nobodythank you]

I stumbled across a great article on The Havock Journal's page that I think many here might find interesting and enlightening. In addition, I believe this should also apply to the issue of flag burning and desecration.

Slap That Poser and Make Him Pee . . .

After having read that, let me say I am not saying I enjoy seeing posers and flag burners do their thing. However, from my own perspective, I have spent and sacrificed my share while wearing different uniforms that all had one thing in common...to protect the rights of others. All the things we get angry about when it happens (burning, posers, spitters, ect), we forget that none of those things take away from what the flag, the veteran, or article stands for. Hope this helps others in their quests.

 

[Marauder06]

^from the article:

If you come across a guy, in the mall or in a bar or some other public place, who is obviously a Poser:

#1. Make sure you are right.

#2. There’s nothing you can legally do about it.

The First Amendment allows for this kind of speech: Lying is not inherently a crime.

 

[pardus]

That article is not accurate. Yes you have to make sure you are right, however, the stolen valor act (unless it has changed for a 3rd time without my knowledge) states that anyone who gains from posing is in breach of federal law. So yes, there is something you can legally do about it.

Walk up to someone in a dodgy uniform, buy them a coffee/beer/water, tell them you are buying this for their service to the country, then start asking questions.

 

[nobodythank you]

That article is not accurate. Yes you have to make sure you are right, however, the stolen valor act (unless it has changed for a 3rd time without my knowledge) states that anyone who gains from posing is in breach of federal law. So yes, there is something you can legally do about it.

Not quite. You as an individual have zero right to do anything legally about someone posing. IF someone was posing for financial gain then that would be fraud and akin to identity theft or impersonation of a federal officer depending on the jurisdiction. Your right extends as far as reporting it to local law enforcement for further action. Just like it is their right to pose and say whatever they want, provided they are not using it for financial gain. This is why the SCOTUS declared the first iteration of this law as unconstitutional. Pretending to be something is freedom of speech. Pretending to be something in order to gain something tangible is fraud.

In effect, the article was accurate. You as an individual have zero legal responsibility or authority in that matter. The authority is granted by law to law enforcement.

H.R.258 - Stolen Valor Act of 2013

 

[Centermass]

So does this mean that beer is out of the question????? :-"

 

[pardus]

Not quite. You as an individual have zero right to do anything legally about someone posing. IF someone was posing for financial gain then that would be fraud and akin to identity theft or impersonation of a federal officer depending on the jurisdiction. Your right extends as far as reporting it to local law enforcement for further action. Just like it is their right to pose and say whatever they want, provided they are not using it for financial gain. This is why the SCOTUS declared the first iteration of this law as unconstitutional. Pretending to be something is freedom of speech. Pretending to be something in order to gain something tangible is fraud.

In effect, the article was accurate. You as an individual have zero legal responsibility or authority in that matter. The authority is granted by law to law enforcement.

H.R.258 - Stolen Valor Act of 2013

Umm making a phone call to the Police is doing something, which was the meaning of my post. I or anyone as an individual can do that.

 

[nobodythank you]

Umm making a phone call to the Police is doing something, which was the meaning of my post. I or anyone as an individual can do that.

Agreed, but the context of the article was referencing that an individual, when confronting a poser, cannot legally do anything to them. Calling the police is not necessarily doing anything to them. People get the police called on them all the time. I believe the author's intent was to dissuade vets from becoming vigilantes and taking matters into their own hands as it can have disastrous consequences, and most importantly it is not their place.

 

[pardus]

Agreed, but the context of the article was referencing that an individual, when confronting a poser, cannot legally do anything to them. Calling the police is not necessarily doing anything to them. People get the police called on them all the time. I believe the author's intent was to dissuade vets from becoming vigilantes and taking matters into their own hands as it can have disastrous consequences, and most importantly it is not their place.

Agreed with the actions to be taken. To me the article sounded like a throwing up of the hands and walking away. I agree with calling the cops (good luck with trying to get them to do anything however), and posting video's of them online, publicly shaming them and warning other members of the public on their true identity. Other actions, physical, chasing etc... are dumb, make us all look bad and are not effective.

 

[nobodythank you]

Agreed with the actions to be taken. To me the article sounded like a throwing up of the hands and walking away. I agree with calling the cops (good luck with trying to get them to do anything however), and posting video's of them online, publicly shaming them and warning other members of the public on their true identity. Other actions, physical, chasing etc... are dumb, make us all look bad and are not effective.

Apologies then, I mistook the intent of your words. Although as to the tone of the article, to me it seemed like he was scared he almost wrongfully challenged another mans honor. In any event, thanks for the clarification.