ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Retention of senior field grades that bad? I suppose that's what happens when you cut so deep.
Retention and Recruitment Crisis
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Retention of senior field grades that bad? I suppose that's what happens when you cut so deep.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Five year extension.... Holy cow. Yeah, I'd be ejecting, too.
Yikes, that's a lot, especially when O6s are probably at/close to 20+ years already
So that's 5 years at acceptance? 2 years in command and then 3 years of retention after?
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
Oh now I see what you're saying, I thought it was an extension to the window in which you could take command because you lacked O5 ad O6s. Making it an ADSO is a mix I think. The Army had ADSO's at captain level for bit with company commands. I find that stuff asinine. Unless you're getting a big monetary bonus for command? Because, remember, they won't honor their contract to you if they determine you're no longer needed.
Company command I can see making an ADSO, because let's face it almost every officer wants to be a company commander, and we had such a hard time retaining O3s back during the GWOT that we were offering them all kinds of incentives to stay in. We were so short on majors that we were double-BZing captains to O4. Getting captains to stay in until major often meant that they would be careerists.
Battalion anad brigade command... fewer people want those jobs, and they're hard. It's also fraught with things that can get you into trouble. It's stressful. If you know you're terminal at O6, and brigade command is hard as hell, why take the ADSO when you could have a sweet offramp job, do SkilLBridge, and then start your O6 retired pay earlier?
Battalion anad brigade command... fewer people want those jobs, and they're hard. It's also fraught with things that can get you into trouble. It's stressful. If you know you're terminal at O6, and brigade command is hard as hell, why take the ADSO when you could have a sweet offramp job, do SkilLBridge, and then start your O6 retired pay earlier?
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
I think that ADSO is going to have the opposite effect of retention. There's only so few command track O-6's and the amount who will get a star is 1/3 of that? Could see lower "quality" but still very good people who are willing to take the ADSO that a different higher performing officer wouldn't
All good point @Marauder06 .
Kraut783
SOF Support
Such bullshit....bay tossing was awesome.
The Quartermaster
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I bet those two are the very real reasons.
Posts are now out showing a memo rescinding the ban was released Aug. 3rd. A Sunday. LOL
That said, the CSM (Blake) then posted it wasn't needed because bunk tossing was already prohibited by other Army rules and regs.
The whole thing is hilarious but sad, however it also shows the power of using social media to push back on dumb leadership. That an O-6 and E-9 would take time to develop something so stupid and trivial reminds us of the rot and flawed thinking within upper echelons of our military. If the SECDEF is serious about increasing our military's lethality he has to destroy a mentality that began back in the 90's with risk adverse leadership eventually giving way to the political agendas we've seen fester for the last decade-ish.
And with that, maybe @Ooh-Rah could move these posts away from the Dot thread (and I'm the guilty party here) so we can go back to the "results in a trip to HR if we said this" posts?
That said, the CSM (Blake) then posted it wasn't needed because bunk tossing was already prohibited by other Army rules and regs.
The whole thing is hilarious but sad, however it also shows the power of using social media to push back on dumb leadership. That an O-6 and E-9 would take time to develop something so stupid and trivial reminds us of the rot and flawed thinking within upper echelons of our military. If the SECDEF is serious about increasing our military's lethality he has to destroy a mentality that began back in the 90's with risk adverse leadership eventually giving way to the political agendas we've seen fester for the last decade-ish.
And with that, maybe @Ooh-Rah could move these posts away from the Dot thread (and I'm the guilty party here) so we can go back to the "results in a trip to HR if we said this" posts?
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I’m surprised nobody took him up on this.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
What are you seeing as the increase in recruiting and hitting actual goals, how much of that are we attributing it to change in administration versus say the Future Soldier Prep Course?
Devildoc
Verified Military
According to Task & Purpose, the order has been rescinded. The ban didn't last very long.
Army infantry training unit reverses 'bay tossing' ban
I've no idea if they do it in the Air Force, we did it in the Navy (or rather, had it done to us).
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I still recall in bootcamp the D.I.’s would lock a few combination padlocks together and then give us an impossible amount of time to get them apart. That and making ‘race car’ noises as we crawled around the squad bay on our hands and knees pushing towels drenched in cleaning solution. Good times!
Spitballing and not sure what data you have or can provide.
- What is prompting a surge in recruiting? We hear about the new Admin, focus on warfighting, anti-DEI and whatnot, but what is the actual story or are the talking points valid?
- Historically, Southerners have provided a majority of enlistees. Is this still true?
- Are you or your recruiters receiving feedback from your recruits once they complete training? If so, what are some of their observations?
- Is a dedicated recruiting MOS providing benefits over the old system and how effective are they?
- Currently, what are the top 3 disqualifiers for enlistment and do you know how that's trended or changed over the last 2 decades?
