That is not a healthy choice to post about a recruit who dropped from the DEP. Life happens.
I’ll bet odds that if my army recruiters found this young person they could enlist him in the Army.
Retention and Recruitment Crisis
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I’ll bet odds that if my army recruiters found this young person they could enlist him in the Army.
That is not a healthy choice to post about a recruit who dropped from the DEP. Life happens.
I’ll bet odds that if my army recruiters found this young person they could enlist him in the Army
100 percent agree.
We signed up a potential Air Force prospect because he kept getting the run around.
My recruiters stand on “honoring a person’s desire and commitment to join.” I am proud of them.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
So a guy quits DEP, woohoo. DEP is meant to help prepare the recruit physically for basic training. They're not there to make you hate the service...it's continuous recruitment.
Devildoc
Verified Military
I am sure this will help with retention in the Army:
Soldiers with high fitness test scores now exempt from body fat rule
Soldiers with high fitness test scores now exempt from body fat rule
I think that's an interesting development, but with the new scores on the ACFT, I think you can still be fat as shit and still get 80%. It's just not that hard.
There's a lot more to fitness than being able to yeet a ball backwards over your head or whatever (I know, I know, they did away with that ridiculousness) and body composition is part of it.
At least raise it to 90%.
Topkick
Verified Military
I graduated from the old school, where looking good in a US military uniform also mattered.
This is functionally a 93/100 on each event if you average it out.
So if you get an 80 in one you'd need a 97 in the other 4 events. It's slightly harder than the 540 for the ACFT.
You can be big, but you won't be out of shape.
I don't understand what you're saying, and I concede I retired before the ACFT became official. But isn't an average of 80% just 80% in each event? 80% of something x 5 and then divided by 5 is still 80% AFAIK. Are the events weighted differently or something?
Devildoc
Verified Military
I profess ignorance to how the army does it. I am not sure if this is a major pendulum swing/kneejerk or not.
I know in the Navy and Marines I saw max score guys have to take fat body courses and do special PT because they were 1 or 2% above standard, but ran an 18 minute 3-mile run, crank out 20 pulls, pump out 85 push ups, and burn out 80 crunches, all to be told "cut back on carbs and PT more." Then I saw guys in the 50th percentile of scores and under bodyfat by 5% be made PT coordinators because they were so good.
I don't think any service member should be fat and a blivit in uniform (10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag), there has to be some common sense attached.
Part of my job was taping the Marines. If they were fit and not fat and scored a 1st class or 2nd class PFT, I always rounded down. I rarely pronounced anyone over-fat.
I know in the Navy and Marines I saw max score guys have to take fat body courses and do special PT because they were 1 or 2% above standard, but ran an 18 minute 3-mile run, crank out 20 pulls, pump out 85 push ups, and burn out 80 crunches, all to be told "cut back on carbs and PT more." Then I saw guys in the 50th percentile of scores and under bodyfat by 5% be made PT coordinators because they were so good.
I don't think any service member should be fat and a blivit in uniform (10 pounds of shit in a 5-pound bag), there has to be some common sense attached.
Part of my job was taping the Marines. If they were fit and not fat and scored a 1st class or 2nd class PFT, I always rounded down. I rarely pronounced anyone over-fat.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
AFT has five events, 100 point each. To be an 80% across the board that would he a score of 400. 90% would be 450. So 465/500 = 93%.
So it's an average of the five events, but there is a minimum score of 80% in each event. So you could max 4 events, but then score a 79 in one event and you are not exempt.
I like this rule overall.
I was overweight for much of the last third or so of my Army career. It was harder to tell because I'm pretty tall and have some upper body, but yeah.
I never had any trouble at all passing tape because so much of the formula depends on neck circumference. Thanks, hypothyroidism!
I might not have explained it well.
The rule is you must score a 465 total, with a minimum acceptable score of 80 points in the event. Let me give three examples; two that meet the exemption and one that doesn’t. All will equal 465
3 rep deadlift points- 93/100/100
Push-ups points-93/95/100
Sprint/drag points-93/95/100
Plank points-93/95/100
2 mile run points-93/80/65
In the first batch of numbers, the service members scored 93 points in each event for a total of 465; they meet the exemption.
In the second, the service member scored the minimum acceptable points for the run (80), but exceed in all other events to score a 465; they meet the exemption.
In the third, the service member scored 65 points in the run but maxed all other events. They did not meet the 80 point requirement for the run, so they are not exempt.
Thank you, that's an excellent explanation (@ThunderHorse, you too) and I understand now. And I'm good with the new policy.
All I got out of this is @Marauder06 is fat. Or something.
Online since...'03-'04? Face-to-face was '08 or '09, your first TF deployment to Afghanistan? I think your "secret squirrel" trip was the last time I saw you and I still tell people about her dumb ass.
