Sikh Army Captain wins right to wear beard and turban

Not sure, think it's because of the history of Sikh's in service with the British army....just use to seeing them in uniform with Turbans and beards.
 
Fuck it let em share the showers with the women. Let's all wear rainbow berets as well. COED showers and free beer all around. This new military is better than a college frat party. Sign me up.......again.
 
He's our regulations. Basically unless they have an occupational hazard that the hair, beard, turban interferes with; they can keep it.

CANADIAN FORCES DRESS INSTRUCTIONS

SECTION 3 A-DH-265-000/AG-001 RELIGIOUS AND SPIRITUAL ACCOMMODATION

  1. A CF member who is an adherent of the Sikh religion (Keshadharis) shall wear CF pattern uniforms and adhere to standard CF dress policy and instructions, with the following exceptions: a. Hair and beard shall remain uncut, provided that the operational mission and safety is not jeopardized when it is required that the member wear occupational and operational equipment such as gas masks, oxygen masks, combat/vehicle/flying helmets, hard hats, scuba masks, etc. When a hazard clearly exists, the hair and/or beard shall be modified to the degree necessary fo wearing the required equipment.
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The first Sikh to get a waiver supported my unit two tours ago - was/is a Dentist. All-in-all a good troop I thought, great dentist, pretty decent officer - especially for a DDS who had been in for six months. I saw SEALs three tours ago not just with full beards, but with curated facial hair looking like full-time hipsters. If we can relax or ignore grooming standards for special folks I don't see why we can't adjust who we consider special.
 
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Marine0311 said:
Why don't you have an issue with this?
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Because who fucking cares? These dudes are warriors. The only issue I see is the double standard with tattoos.
Bypass said:
Fuck it let em share the showers with the women. Let's all wear rainbow berets as well. COED showers and free beer all around. This new military is better than a college frat party. Sign me up.......again.
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You have a reason they shouldn't be allowed to serve?
 
TLDR20 said:
Because who fucking cares? These dudes are warriors. The only issue I see is the double standard with tattoos.
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Because I am curious of the reasoning behind his opinion that is why, and he answered my question in his response.
 
Bypass said:
This new military is better than a college frat party. Sign me up.......again.
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This new military is more effective than its ever been.

That may be due to lengthy conflicts which are because of negatives like poor civilian leadership and war profiteering- but don't hold the military accountable for that.

He even wears an ACU pattern turbin, which gives me the impression that he wants to accommodate both the Army and his religion.
 
TLDR20 said:
Because who fucking cares? These dudes are warriors. The only issue I see is the double standard with tattoos.


You have a reason they shouldn't be allowed to serve?
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Nah, everyone who wants to serve should be allowed to serve but there shouldn't be a double standard. Let everyone grow beards and wear turbans if that is how they want to roll. A few more bodies behind a trigger never hurt anything.
 
Etype said:
This new military is more effective than its ever been.

That may be due to lengthy conflicts which are because of negatives like poor civilian leadership and war profiteering- but don't hold the military accountable for that.

He even wears an ACU pattern turbin, which gives me the impression that he wants to accommodate both the Army and his religion.
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Yeah maybe it was or would have been had it not been for the current administrations need to "draw down" our forces. Unless they have the ability to turn the remaining 450k soldiers we have into green berets then I think we are up shit creek if anything major happens. So yeah I'm all for letting them join up since everyone will most likely be kicked out regardless.

Army Plans to Cut 40,000 Soldiers and Shrink Force to 450,000 by 2017 | Military.com
 
Bypass said:
Unless they have the ability to turn the remaining 450k soldiers we have into green berets then I think we are up shit creek if anything major happens.
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To pretend that there is any type of hypothetical conflict which would result in a US defeat is absolute lunacy.

We have this pesky little thing called a Navy which could probably defeat the greater part of the world on its own.

The Army swelled in size to accommodate the world police initiative, I personally would like to see that era come to a close.
 
The only issue and possible problem I have with this would be what stops other individuals from being granted the right to wear pieces of clothing that has to deal with that individuals religion. A muslim woman wanting to wear a headress or a Jewish man growing a beard and wearing a yamaca. Some of those could be argued saying in combat or what not its not accommodating, but we let one group be aloud to wear religious items why should we stop others ?
 
Kheenbish said:
The only issue and possible problem I have with this would be what stops other individuals from being granted the right to wear pieces of clothing that has to deal with that individuals religion. A muslim woman wanting to wear a headress or a Jewish man growing a beard and wearing a yamaca. Some of those could be argued saying in combat or what not its not accommodating, but we let one group be aloud to wear religious items why should we stop others ?
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I know Jews that wear the yarmulke.

Pentagon Relaxes Rules On Religious Clothing And Appearance In Military Uniforms Allowing Turbans, Head Scarves And Yarmulkes
 
TLDR20 said:
I know Jews that wear the yarmulke.

Pentagon Relaxes Rules On Religious Clothing And Appearance In Military Uniforms Allowing Turbans, Head Scarves And Yarmulkes
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I have to ask myself though , at which point does this affect mission capabilities? Then when I have a clear answer, what stops a lawyer from saying well this individual can express said religion why can't this one ? Just feel like we should have this one standard of uniformity and not stray from that lane to accommodate.
 
Kheenbish said:
I have to ask myself though , at which point does this affect mission capabilities? Then when I have a clear answer, what stops a lawyer from saying well this individual can express said religion why can't this one ? Just feel like we should have this one standard of uniformity and not stray from that lane to accommodate.
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I think that as the pool of qualified candidates for the military shrinks, accommodations should be made for those who are qualified but need to be able to do things for religious reasons. Sikhs are a great example of that.
 

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