Star Wars - ** SPOILERS ** discussion thread

Teaser dropped:


As everyone knows I'm a big EU canon guy. The last movie was hot garbage, must worse than the prequels for me, in fact I liked them.

However, this looks like it could be good, but it's a two minute mashup, and the first teaser is always supposed to make it shit hot.
 
New Star Wars trailer premiered on Monday Night Football tonight. Your thoughts?

It’s Star Wars, so I am going to be predisposed to like it…but….I get a weird vibe from it. Like Luke is trying to end the Jedi? I don’t know. I’m really looking forward to the movie. Then next year we get the Han Solo prequel, so looking forward to that as well.

 
Meh. I actually got "The Phantom Menace" vibe from it. And that's not a good thing. Not anything like the last movie. We'll see but my initial reaction... :thumbsdown:
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Like Luke is trying to end the Jedi?
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Somehow doesn't sound right... As though Luke were trying to end the Jedi is more like it.

My Grammar Supremacist friends will type in unity to save the (still) most commonly used language in this country.

And don't pronounce it cuntry, either.
 
I don't believe Luke is trying nor wanting to end the Jedi, after all, he started his own Jedi training temple. Yes, Kylo Ren killed everyone there, and we have yet to hear Luke's version of why hee couldn't stop him from doing it, but Luke has always been the bumbling hero throughout the film series. I can't recall a single film moment where he successfully does something without a fuck up first, or shortly after, happening. Even kissing the girl turned into a fail.
 
There's been plenty of talk on this subject. I tend to agree on the common theory. Ending the Jedi is the only way to bring balance. Because the light vs dark has a balance of grey. The book in the trailer is likely the logo for the grey Jedi. Or the journal of Whills. The force users that predate Sith and Jedi.

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Florida173 said:
There's been plenty of talk on this subject. I tend to agree on the common theory. Ending the Jedi is the only way to bring balance. Because the light vs dark has a balance of grey. The book in the trailer is likely the logo for the grey Jedi. Or the journal of Whills. The force users that predate Sith and Jedi.

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That is really cool, thanks for sharing. The concept makes sense, practice and understand every area of the force. Have the discipline to do the right thing.

How can the Jedi maximize their powers and defeat the Sith if they are afraid to explore the extent of their own powers. That is something that has always bugged me about Jedi.

Google is fun. I found this: The Gray Jedi Order
 
Ooh-Rah said:
That is really cool, thanks for sharing. The concept makes sense, practice and understand every area of the force. Have the discipline to do the right thing.

How can the Jedi maximize their powers and defeat the Sith if they are afraid to explore the extent of their own powers. That is something that has always bugged me about Jedi.

Google is fun. I found this: The Gray Jedi Order
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For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure that's not canon, but they'll still probably take a few of the main ideas.
 
Well in the true canon we learned that there was no light vs. dark side. That a Jedi could wield the powers of the Dark side and remain a Jedi with enough discipline. The issue being that the amount of power one has at that point is immense and the Force just flows, the Force being in full control of the person and they become reckless. Which is how Jacen Solo became a Sith after they had been wiped out.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
New Star Wars trailer premiered on Monday Night Football tonight. Your thoughts?

It’s Star Wars, so I am going to be predisposed to like it…but….I get a weird vibe from it. Like Luke is trying to end the Jedi? I don’t know. I’m really looking forward to the movie. Then next year we get the Han Solo prequel, so looking forward to that as well.

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I received a similar vibe, but it didn't seem like Luke was trying to end the Jedi. It felt more like he realized something about Rey that scared him to the core, especially with his whole "I've seen power like that once before, and wasn't scared - but I am now" thing.

I threw a prediction out just shy of two years ago in this thread when 'The Force Awakens' came out. Not sure if this second movie will line up with it, but Luke's admission of his fear along with that last scene with Ren and Kylo threw up some questions.

Here it is for a refresher:
Locksteady said:
Alternative prediction with a darker twist: Rey trains with Master Luke, developing more strength and control over her abilities with his guidance. Meanwhile, Kylo Ren experiences more trouble in developing his powers, and his training with Supreme Leader Snoke is going completely downhill, with his progress even waning. In a flash of insight, Kylo Ren realizes that his power was at its strongest when he was embracing the path upon which Master Luke was training him. His fall to the dark side only diminished the strength he had, if only because he was meant to be a Jedi (this could explain his relative lack of Force strength by the time he met Rey), and his killing of his father was a complete mistake. The realization causes him to rebel from Supreme Leader Snoke, leading to his powers enhancing as he starts to embrace the light side of the Force. Rey (and watching the way she fought with the light saber tipped me off to this idea), it turns out, is an unmanifested Sith (the trend seems to be that those with absurdly high starting levels of innate Force ability have ended up being Sith - light siders tend to have to work more to develop their powers, i.e. Luke), and in a tragic turn of events, submits to the dark side and ends up killing Master Luke, fueling the conflict for the third movie.
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