I thought the PEQ-2 was the shit...I lit a cigarette off of a PEQ-15. Have no idea what's cool now.
But weed out of your muzzle in 02 is a pretty awesome pic.
But weed out of your muzzle in 02 is a pretty awesome pic.
The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread
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Honestly, I don't think Uncle Sam is going to see much profit off an increase in seed export prices and other Ag tech. For the most part, the big companies and corporations doing business in PK are reaping profits off American developed agricultural technologies. Companies like Monsanto (now part of Bayer) need to be heavily discouraged from doing business in PK.
If we really wanted to fuck over PK and the PRC in the long term, we could effectively ban (or severely limit) their students from entering Western Universities. Foreign student aren't only getting government grants to study here, but they take or steal the best research and go live like kings in their home countries. What's fucked up is the research stolen is largely funded by federal and state academic grants. However, if we remove these foreign students from academia, technological growth and innovation will slow (if not outright stagnate) in PK and China.
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There's nobody more hawkish than me about eradicating every single jihadist cockroach on the planet, but enough is enough. You gotta know when to turn mother's picture to the wall and GTFO.
Aside from our revenge for 9/11 against AQ, tell me of all the wonderful successes and achievements we've been able to accomplish in 18 years of warfare against an enemy that's backed by our allies, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Many years ago I lived in a little primitive village. The houses had dirt floors, rice-mat walls, thatched roofs. There was no electricity, no running water, the people shit on their crops for fertilizer. The only vehicles were bicycles, the only farm equipment a water buffalo. Drinking water came from a communal village well, a bucket on a rope. A 20-minute helicopter flight east and welcome to fucking Disney Land, where you could buy stereos, diamond rings, fur coats, watches, where the War had become some kind of obscene explosion of capitalist corruption and excess. Anything for our boys. And all this was as far away as the moon from my village.
This is what you control in Afghanistan. Population centers and military bases. The rest you will never own. And it's not worth one more American life to keep up the charade that victory is within reach.
Aside from our revenge for 9/11 against AQ, tell me of all the wonderful successes and achievements we've been able to accomplish in 18 years of warfare against an enemy that's backed by our allies, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia?
Many years ago I lived in a little primitive village. The houses had dirt floors, rice-mat walls, thatched roofs. There was no electricity, no running water, the people shit on their crops for fertilizer. The only vehicles were bicycles, the only farm equipment a water buffalo. Drinking water came from a communal village well, a bucket on a rope. A 20-minute helicopter flight east and welcome to fucking Disney Land, where you could buy stereos, diamond rings, fur coats, watches, where the War had become some kind of obscene explosion of capitalist corruption and excess. Anything for our boys. And all this was as far away as the moon from my village.
This is what you control in Afghanistan. Population centers and military bases. The rest you will never own. And it's not worth one more American life to keep up the charade that victory is within reach.
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I agree completely. But...the perspective I always try to keep is thst it would have been a very different Vietnam if the Chinese and Russia would have kept to themselves.
The Soviets would have had a different outcome in Afghanistan if the US would have kept out of it.
Even today, it is different for me to believe that without intelligence and supplies from (pick a card any card) Afghanistan would not be near the problem it has been.
When we go to battle with these shit hole countries we are indirectly going to war with our bigger enemies. Hell, China and Russia don’t need to go to war with us, they can just keep supplying whomever and kick back and watch as our resources and manpower continue to drain.
Hold everything.
Xe whiz, maybe POTUS will work up WPS III and turn the whole shitshow over to the new Blackwater...and Prince can party like it's 2005.
Mattis and Kelly may think it's a hare-brained Larry Lightbulb idea, but what do they know?
Xe whiz, maybe POTUS will work up WPS III and turn the whole shitshow over to the new Blackwater...and Prince can party like it's 2005.
Mattis and Kelly may think it's a hare-brained Larry Lightbulb idea, but what do they know?
But that doesn't make a lot of sense. Pakistan has religious and some cultural similarities with India- India will not make ground there nor will they be able to use it for attacking Pakistan; which in itself doesn't make sense. Afghani Muslim will not work for Indian Hindus.
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This is one of the reasons India didn’t end up sending troops to Afghanistan. They didn’t want to anger certain Muslim factions within India. But, they want to diminish the threat of terrorism. It’s diabolical
Don't view AfPak in terms of religion, look at it within the construct of tribalism. Being Muslim matters less than being Pashtun. The Durand Line split Pashtun tribes. Any nation muscling in on the AfPak border with have to consider religion as well as tribal allegiances.
I know some of you are tired of me saying it, but Pakistan must be destroyed if the region wants to evolve, The Durand line, religious conflicts, and tribalism have consigned three nations to a low to medium-scale war for eternity. Something has to give, something has to change.
I know some of you are tired of me saying it, but Pakistan must be destroyed if the region wants to evolve, The Durand line, religious conflicts, and tribalism have consigned three nations to a low to medium-scale war for eternity. Something has to give, something has to change.
It'd almost be worth letting India and Pak nuke each other.
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Not like there would fallout for us to worry about (pun intended)
Only if India wins.
The Taliban want a time-table for U.S. withdrawal before they sit down to negotiate with the AFG government.
Of course they do.
All they have to do to win is wait for us to leave. I give them (with PAK/ISI support) two years post-US withdrawal to take over the whole show.
Of course they do.
All they have to do to win is wait for us to leave. I give them (with PAK/ISI support) two years post-US withdrawal to take over the whole show.
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The people of Afghanistan deserve what happens. They had a chance and blew it via corruption/indifference.The Taliban want a time-table for U.S. withdrawal before they sit down to negotiate with the AFG government.
Of course they do.
We've lost a lot of folks, and it's time to come home.
Those who say those lives lost are wasted are wrong. AQ hasn't mounted a major terror attack on the US homeland since 2001. They gave us peace and a measure of prosperity.
The mistakes were essentially made by politicians, and very senior managers (I refuse to call them leaders).
The trigger pullers were awesome, as always.
Traditionally the Afghans go to ground during the winter. That isn't happening this year. The TB know they have the Afghans and NATO on the ropes, they just have to keep up some level of pressure and we'll fold. They know this and that's why want a timeline. Even with heavy Soviet support, the Muj made significant gains in two years, forcing a set of accords within three years, which then kicked off a 4 year civil war, ending in the rise of the TB. I think the AFG gov't is in worse shape than in '89 and with less support than provided after the Soviet departure. Air support, ISR, and SOF are propping up the country.
If they last 2 years after our departure that says more about the TB than it does the AFG gov't.
If they last 2 years after our departure that says more about the TB than it does the AFG gov't.
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Nice read about the history of Astan and the USSR and how easy it is to misconstrue intentions in light of Trump's assertions:
Why Did Soviets Invade Afghanistan? Documents Offer History Lesson for Trump
Why Did Soviets Invade Afghanistan? Documents Offer History Lesson for Trump
Trump needs to open a history book once in awhile. Any intelligent person who was alive at the time knows quite well why the USSR invaded AFG...to shore up the Communist regime.
If by "terrorists" he means the mujahadeen, they were Freedom Fighters to us.
If by "terrorists" he means the mujahadeen, they were Freedom Fighters to us.
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