The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread

[AWP]

I read the article (posted below) and watched the video.

WTAF.

I made it to the second page...it wasn't as poorly written as that Marine SgtMaj's bio, and it was more accurate than say The Fast and Furious movies, but overall that was horrible.

"What if we put a high school freshman in charge of re-writing history?"
"Bet."

 

[Marauder06]

I made it to the second page...it wasn't as poorly written as that Marine SgtMaj's bio, and it was more accurate than say The Fast and Furious movies, but overall that was horrible.

"What if we put a high school freshman in charge of re-writing history?"
"Bet."

"Blame it on Trump."

And if it's something that happened on our watch?

"Trump would have done it."

 

[AWP]

I'll read the doc in full later, but I want to make sure I have a few points right.

This..."explanation" took 2 years to write and JUST SO FUCKING HAPPENED to find itself released the week Trump as arraigned?

Great. Trump bad, Trump kill people, Trump incompetent...somebody jiggle the handle because the crapper's stuck again. But, play it out for a moment, the Trump administration totally hosed Biden, the Biden admin was handed a black hole of options and bootstrapped their way up and through the darkness.

The problem is...that narrative makes our country look like it has not one, not two, but three extra chromosomes. You see, and maybe I'm just dumb, this makes State and Defense look so damn incompetent. Whole staffs exist for shit like this, plans exist for this, plans have almost always existed for a similar operation, but because of Trump suddenly nothing existed and Team Biden started from scratch? "Oh shit, how exactly do we evacuate a country? That's never been done before!"

I'm going to get pissed off, so I'll stop. I'm going to eat dinner and order Chinese...as in Rosetta Stone so I can communicate with my country's leadership in 20 years if I'm still alive.

 

[Gunz]

The whole crummy 12-page kiddie's book of an excuse can be pared down to one sentence.

"President Biden had committed to ending the war in Afghanistan, but when he came into office he was confronted with difficult realities left to him by the Trump Administration."

 

[Box]

Serious question - does any of this REALLY surprise anyone ??

 

[R.Caerbannog]

Serious question - does any of this REALLY surprise anyone ??

It shouldn't, but people are stupid. Especially those blue haired freaks the Pakistani's mock us about.

 

[Gunz]

Serious question - does any of this REALLY surprise anyone ??

No sir. Especially not the timing…since Trump slammed the whole withdrawal fiasco at his news conference the other day.

 

[amlove21]

Released with 10 minutes notice to the press on a Thursday before a long holiday weekend a couple days after indicting a former president on complete bullshit.

“This isn’t about accountability.” - Kirby.

I don’t have enough harsh language.

 

[AWP]

This is fucking insulting.

US forces sent to Djibouti to prep for possible Sudan evacuation

The United States is sending additional military forces and equipment to a base in Djibouti to pre-position in case they are needed for the possible evacuation of Americans from Sudan, two U.S. officials told ABC News.

Good, I suppose, we learned from Afghanistan and can apply that to a mission 1/10th or so in size. Not like we had 20 years or so to plan for this moment...U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-ah whatever.

 

[ThunderHorse]

This is fucking insulting.

US forces sent to Djibouti to prep for possible Sudan evacuation



Good, I suppose, we learned from Afghanistan and can apply that to a mission 1/10th or so in size. Not like we had 20 years or so to plan for this moment...U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-ah whatever.

Like are we doing a NEO or whatever we did in Afghanistan? Or are we going to let the Ambo get murdered again?

 

[Intel Nerd]

Like are we doing a NEO or whatever we did in Afghanistan? Or are we going to let the Ambo get murdered again?

AFRICOM is very sensitive of that sort of thing compared to other CCMDs.

 

[BloodStripe]

There’s between 15 and 20k Americans in Sudan. This has the potential to make Afghanistan look like it was executed better than Jeffery Dahmer.

 

[Devildoc]

There’s between 15 and 20k Americans in Sudan. This has the potential to make Afghanistan look like it was executed better than Jeffery Dahmer.

NGOs? OGOs? Mission trips? All of the above? That's a lot of Americans in a shit hole of a country.

 

[DA SWO]

NGOs? OGOs? Mission trips? All of the above? That's a lot of Americans in a shit hole of a country.

All of the above is my understanding.
FWIW- Embassy convoy got fired on, and that put NEO on the fast burner.
How long will it take the ARG to get there?

 

[Devildoc]

All of the above is my understanding.
FWIW- Embassy convoy got fired on, and that put NEO on the fast burner.
How long will it take the ARG to get there?

That's a nightmare of an operation.

 

[BloodStripe]

I don’t have the breakdown, but it’s primarily your NGOs and private citizens just living there.

We’ve been tasked to find a solution for roughly 3k.

ETA: This doesn’t mean we are executing that, just presenting COAs.

 

[Gunz]

NGOs? OGOs? Mission trips? All of the above? That's a lot of Americans in a shit hole of a country.

The Marines went into Lemonnier in ‘02. I remember that from a CENTCOM briefing. Then it rapidly expanded during all the Al-Shabaab and Somali pirate action.

You know Americans are somewhere in some strength when they put in a Subway.

We generally have a pretty shitty track record when it comes to unassing TAORs. Maybe we can save the meatballs.

 

[Devildoc]

The Marines went into Lemonnier in ‘02. I remember that from a CENTCOM briefing. Then it rapidly expanded during all the Al-Shabaab and Somali pirate action.

You know Americans are somewhere in some strength when they put in a Subway.

We generally have a pretty shitty track record when it comes to unassing TAORs. Maybe we can save the meatballs.

With what we have on the Horn, at sea off the Horn, afloat in the Med, and a crisis response task force in Italy, we definitely have assets.

Subway, lol. Now all they need is a Green Beans (they may well have one).

 

[AWP]

I'll take a beating here and that's fine. This is where you drop some hate.

I don't want Americans to die, but if they do I don't care.
1) It's the Sudan. We aren't talking about the Hilton in Frankfurt, we're talking about the fucking Sudan. Why are you there?
2) What's your E&E plan? Don't have a plan? Violent buttsex is your plan. I don't have sympathy.
3) Remember Afghanistan? And you think our country is going full Kitchener in Khartoum? Morons.
4) You trust the US? See the above.
5) No one is coming, it's up to you.

So, please, no tears on TV from you or your families. Adult up. You made your choice.

 

[Devildoc]

I'll take a beating here and that's fine. This is where you drop some hate.

I don't want Americans to die, but if they do I don't care.
1) It's the Sudan. We aren't talking about the Hilton in Frankfurt, we're talking about the fucking Sudan. Why are you there?
2) What's your E&E plan? Don't have a plan? Violent buttsex is your plan. I don't have sympathy.
3) Remember Afghanistan? And you think our country is going full Kitchener in Khartoum? Morons.
4) You trust the US? See the above.
5) No one is coming, it's up to you.

So, please, no tears on TV from you or your families. Adult up. You made your choice.

No hate from me, friend. I agree.

I've been overseas, and not always in uniform. Have a PACE plan, let the embassy/consulate know your plan, be the gray man, etc. You're on your own.