If the past is any example, we’ll find human remains in the wheel wells of our C-17s.
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The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread
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ThunderHorse
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It was pretty crappy over there as far as conditions and politics in the '80's. Anytime we were in Nairobi with the AIT from Detrick. We would get a little down time and, venture out.
We bounced all over Aftica at one time chasing bio bugs.
That entire continent is a bio bug.
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
So yeah, no NEO though.
That time the Taliban used US equipment to attack Iran...
Iran exchanges heavy gunfire with Taliban on Afghan border, escalating tensions over water rights
Iran exchanges heavy gunfire with Taliban on Afghan border, escalating tensions over water rights
ThunderHorse
Verified Military
No one will be held accountable, not a single person fired, not a single person charged. Men and women are dead. But hey, another day in Byron's paradise.
This entire administration is disgusting
I went back and reviewed the DoD/WH's April "it isn't our fault because of the Orange Man" paper and then admittedly both skimmed the State AAR and CNN's coverage. My view, worth every penny you paid for...
1) I cannot stress enough how disgusted I am by the April DoD/WH report. Even if there's fact you wouldn't know it because of all of the lies, misinformation, omissions, and pure fuckery throughout the document. The report is infuriating. We would need an entire thread on debunking this trash, it is that horrible.
2) State breaking with the WH on several keep points is rather interesting, because at times the two reports are 180 degrees off on some events. Like, WTF? State selling out the WH? Kind of makes me warm inside.
3) I love that everyone missed the estimates for how long the country could hold out without the US. Several of us on this board proved (despite being wrong ourselves), that our estimates just following the news and based on our time there, that the USG was overly optimistic and both reports confirmed that. Or they are lying to cover their failures "OMG, how could we know"... Both reports thought the Afghans could hold the line for months and months? C'mon, man!
4) Maybe I'm wrong, but I REFUSE to believe the narratives about NEO planning. I do think State's AAR was more forthcoming and probably closer to the truth. State also contradicts the WH narrative here and honest people would say they call out the WH on its bullshit. But both would have us believe that after 20 years of war no one had a NEO plan until after Biden took office? And the intel assessments apparently drove State to drag its feet on planning? What?
5) THE TIMING OF THE AAR'S RELEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Easter weekend. 4th of July weekend? I don't need to spell this one out, right?
1) I cannot stress enough how disgusted I am by the April DoD/WH report. Even if there's fact you wouldn't know it because of all of the lies, misinformation, omissions, and pure fuckery throughout the document. The report is infuriating. We would need an entire thread on debunking this trash, it is that horrible.
2) State breaking with the WH on several keep points is rather interesting, because at times the two reports are 180 degrees off on some events. Like, WTF? State selling out the WH? Kind of makes me warm inside.
3) I love that everyone missed the estimates for how long the country could hold out without the US. Several of us on this board proved (despite being wrong ourselves), that our estimates just following the news and based on our time there, that the USG was overly optimistic and both reports confirmed that. Or they are lying to cover their failures "OMG, how could we know"... Both reports thought the Afghans could hold the line for months and months? C'mon, man!
4) Maybe I'm wrong, but I REFUSE to believe the narratives about NEO planning. I do think State's AAR was more forthcoming and probably closer to the truth. State also contradicts the WH narrative here and honest people would say they call out the WH on its bullshit. But both would have us believe that after 20 years of war no one had a NEO plan until after Biden took office? And the intel assessments apparently drove State to drag its feet on planning? What?
5) THE TIMING OF THE AAR'S RELEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Easter weekend. 4th of July weekend? I don't need to spell this one out, right?
ShadowSpear friends with Afghanistan experience:
I received the below request from a fellow Special Operations veteran. I don't know him personally, but some of you probably do.
To sum up: he is doing research for his PhD and is requesting survey responses related to the US pullout from Afghanistan. I took the survey myself and it took 15 minutes or so, and the only reason it took me that long was because I got all up in my feels about it.
He provided me with his Institutional Review Board (IRB) approval letter, which let me know this is legit research. If you're interested in participating, please see the below message and link. And if you want to make any comments about your feelings about the withdrawal from Afghanistan, please feel free do do so (respectfully and thoughtfully) in the comments:
_____
“Service Members (active/retired) and Civilian Responses Needed!
My name is Wylie Brace. I served in the military from 2008 to 2015 with 3rd Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. I deployed to the Middle East six times across Iraq and Afghanistan from rifleman to squad leader. I now conduct research with veterans over a variety of topics with Miami University in Oxford, OH. I am not affiliated with the Department of Veterans Affairs. Currently, I am interested in your thoughts and feelings on the Afghanistan pullout. Attached is a link to my survey. It is completely anonymous, and your answers cannot be linked to your identity.
If you choose to take the survey, I thank you very much for your time and share the link with other veterans you know if possible. RLTW! (Service Members and Civilians can take the survey, which is best done on a computer vs. a cell phone or tablet).”
Survey link:
https://miamioh.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_a2CbzIjNrsJvo10
Thank you again for your time,
Wylie"
I received the below request from a fellow Special Operations veteran. I don't know him personally, but some of you probably do.
To sum up: he is doing research for his PhD and is requesting survey responses related to the US pullout from Afghanistan. I took the survey myself and it took 15 minutes or so, and the only reason it took me that long was because I got all up in my feels about it.
He provided me with his Institutional Review Board (IRB) approval letter, which let me know this is legit research. If you're interested in participating, please see the below message and link. And if you want to make any comments about your feelings about the withdrawal from Afghanistan, please feel free do do so (respectfully and thoughtfully) in the comments:
_____
“Service Members (active/retired) and Civilian Responses Needed!
My name is Wylie Brace. I served in the military from 2008 to 2015 with 3rd Ranger Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment. I deployed to the Middle East six times across Iraq and Afghanistan from rifleman to squad leader. I now conduct research with veterans over a variety of topics with Miami University in Oxford, OH. I am not affiliated with the Department of Veterans Affairs. Currently, I am interested in your thoughts and feelings on the Afghanistan pullout. Attached is a link to my survey. It is completely anonymous, and your answers cannot be linked to your identity.
If you choose to take the survey, I thank you very much for your time and share the link with other veterans you know if possible. RLTW! (Service Members and Civilians can take the survey, which is best done on a computer vs. a cell phone or tablet).”
Survey link:
https://miamioh.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_a2CbzIjNrsJvo10
Thank you again for your time,
Wylie"
Topkick
Verified Military
I don''t know him but I graduated from Miami U and was born, raised, and now live outside of Oxford, OH.
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