The Afghanistan and Pakistan Thread

AWP said:
This is shocking, shocking I say!

Russia may be aiding Taliban in Afghanistan, top US general says



Russia and America involved in Afghanistan? I swear I've heard this story before.



The last year?!?!?!?!? Are you shitting me? The last YEAR? How about "since the 90's" as a more realistic estimate. Damn, we've turned such a blind eye to those two shitty, should-be-salted-off-the-earth countries it is sickening. All of our dead and we barely recognize one of the root causes for our failure.
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Yep. Russia... and Pakistan... and Iran... and China... ISIS, AQ, and probably anyone else who wishes us ill.
 
Marauder06 said:
Yep. Russia... and Pakistan... and Iran... and China... ISIS, AQ, and probably anyone else who wishes us ill.
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When people talk about the Iran deal I just want to throw up. EFP's in Iraq, providing a safe haven plus material support for the TB, plus a few other things....Short of an open war we should do everything we can to destroy that country.
 
ThunderHorse said:
Reports of Sangin’s fall are 'complete fabrication,' U.S. military insists
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Yeah. Is that why they got the fuck out like their hair was on fire and have stopped releasing casualty figures? And why Marines are apparently being tasked to go back in there because not enough Marine blood has been shed for that shithole?

There are two things in this world that remain undefeated. Heroin and pussy. And since Helmand's all about heroin, there's global demand as an added incentive for your average fanatical Muslim killers and tribal bandits to try and keep their mitts on it.
 
We could spray Roundup all over the Helmland province, or just salt the earth, or add some nematode that attacks a poppy plants root systems. Maybe add another win for Mosanto.:sneaky:
 
Major attack on an Afghan Army base in Mazar-e Sharif. I'm not surprised and if anything I'm surprised we haven't seen more of these.

Afghan casualties in Taliban Mazar-e Sharif attack pass 100 - BBC News

More than 100 Afghan soldiers were killed or wounded in a Taliban attack on an army base on Friday, the defence ministry has confirmed.

Fighting lasted for several hours near the city of Mazar-e Sharif in northern Balkh province.

Insurgents targeted those leaving Friday prayers at the base's mosque and others in a canteen, the army said.
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That horrible little country continues to circle the drain. Our options are pure garbage. Leave and cede the country to the TB, HQN, and ISIS for their inevitable PK influenced civil war or stay like the little Dutch Boy and poke our fingers in the dike? Let the civil war bleed the country dry and then go back in with a better plan? What a dumpster fire. We have kids in that country who were three when the towers fell and you could have had a child after they dropped who will get their crack at the country in a few years. WTF?
 
AWP said:
Major attack on an Afghan Army base in Mazar-e Sharif. I'm not surprised and if anything I'm surprised we haven't seen more of these.

Afghan casualties in Taliban Mazar-e Sharif attack pass 100 - BBC News



That horrible little country continues to circle the drain. Our options are pure garbage. Leave and cede the country to the TB, HQN, and ISIS for their inevitable PK influenced civil war or stay like the little Dutch Boy and poke our fingers in the dike? Let the civil war bleed the country dry and then go back in with a better plan? What a dumpster fire. We have kids in that country who were three when the towers fell and you could have had a child after they dropped who will get their crack at the country in a few years. WTF?
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Yeah, unfuckingbelievable...or maybe not. Ten Talitubbies in two trucks kill 140 ANA and wound 160. Very few people were armed at the base...nobody challenged these motherfuckers, they just drove right the fuck in, dressed in Army uniforms and claiming they had wounded. And 4 of the attackers were ANA turncoats who knew the layout. :wall::-o:wall:

An American advisory presence there for 16 years and these motherfuckers are still shithead soldiers. One would expect some significant uptick in competence among the counterparts after a decade and a half commitment, and they're still getting their asses handed to them.

It must be awfully frustrating for those of you who've been involved in this war and involved with FID to see this kind of debacle.
 
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Ocoka said:
It must be awfully frustrating for those of you who've been involved in this war and involved with FID to see this kind of debacle.
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I once a believed the country could be turned around enough to make some progress, that we could at least destroy/ degrade the Taliban enough for the Afghan gov't to finish the job. Our ineptitude at COIN coupled with the Afghan culture means it is impossible, simply impossible. I think we had a legitimate chance, but blew it and were aided by the Afghans even as they complained we didn't do enough. My only interest in the country is the same that brought us into the mess: the ability for terrorist organizations to thrive in such an environment. The only real solution in my mind is to eliminate Pakistan, kill off half of Afghanistan, and give the Pashtuns everything to the Indus. Otherwise...that toilet will continue to be a problem.
 
I watched Part 1. I'll catch Part 2 tomorrow. Thanks for sharing.

I think in the case of our involvement post 9/11, a lot of our people took the time to research Afghan history; a number were probably already familiar with the Mujahideen from the Soviet war.

I would like to think, that in spite of the totality of fucked-up-ness in Afghanistan today that we--the US/ISAF--went in with our eyes a bit more open than the British did in 1839 or the Russians in 1979. Having said that, killing terrorists was a good thing, something that is achievable...while building a democracy out of tribal bandits and an economy based on heroin is probably beyond the reach of anybody.
 
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Ocoka said:
I watched Part 1. I'll catch Part 2 tomorrow. Thanks for sharing.

I think in the case of our involvement post 9/11, a lot of our people took the time to research Afghan history; a number were probably already familiar with the Mujahideen from the Soviet war.
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The initial group may have, maybe, but by 2004 I ran across a number of officers and SNCO's who hadn't so much as glanced at Bear Went over the Mountain (if they knew of it). In 2008 the general level of ignorance was perhaps worse. No one knew of Ghost Wars despite it winning a Pulitzer Prize and then as in 2004 their knowledge of the Russian excursion was "they got their asses kicked, but that won't happen to us because have a better army." I'm sure people were well read, but the majority were not. They viewed Russia's interest in Afghanistan as a land grab for a warm water port and had never heard of The Great Game. I was, and remain, appalled.
 
AWP said:
The initial group may have, maybe, but by 2004 I ran across a number of officers and SNCO's who hadn't so much as glanced at Bear Went over the Mountain (if they knew of it). In 2008 the general level of ignorance was perhaps worse. No one knew of Ghost Wars despite it winning a Pulitzer Prize and then as in 2004 their knowledge of the Russian excursion was "they got their asses kicked, but that won't happen to us because have a better army." I'm sure people were well read, but the majority were not. They viewed Russia's interest in Afghanistan as a land grab for a warm water port and had never heard of The Great Game. I was, and remain, appalled.
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Afghanistan...opening cans of whoopass on invaders since before Alexander.
 
I brought dog eared copies of The Bear Went Over the Mountain and its companion book The Other Side of the Mountain to Afghanistan. Several of the vignettes occurred in the Helmand province and my local police chief fought in some of those battles. As a Mujahideen. He signed my book.
 
Those wild and crazy Afghans. To be fair, if they exiled every mass murderer in that country they'd be left with about 20 people in the gov't. Still...what a turd.

Afghan government welcomes Kabul's 'butcher'

KABUL, Afghanistan – He is known simply as the "Butcher of Kabul" and, after 20 years in self-imposed exile, Gulbuddin Hekmatyar returned last week to the Afghan capitol he once mercilessly massacred. President Ghani and members of his national unity government warmly welcomed the warlord.

After fighting the Soviet Union and the Afghan communist government during the 1980s with his Hezb-e-Islami militia, Hekmatyar, 69, and other warlords eventually sparked civil war within Afghanistan. To assuage his radicalism, he was elevated to prime minister in 1993. But that was not enough; shortly after that he was accused of orchestrating the destruction of Kabul and the deaths of tens of thousands of civilians and coalition government soldiers.
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