Just met mine today - I think I was having a minor heart attack in the process but I didnt really think of it until I got in the car later. Was wondering if anyone else had the same experience?
The first time you met your team chief..
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I remember mine being an SF Communications Sergeant who is Jewish....and he wore a Hitler mustache. Things only improved from there. I think the world of that man.
I've never been SOF so I have to ask....what was so bad about it?
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Similar to Deathy, I am not SOF, but one of my main influences/mentors is now a CW5 and I remember hearing stories of his frustrations and encounters. One thing for certain he took no BS.
Since I am in a joint command I can clarify something for all the Navy and Marine Corps personnel: the Army refers to their warrant officers as chiefs.
Thanks for that clarification
Back in the day I went to an Army command with my gunner (USMC infantry warrant officer) and some Army kid called him chief. Gunner blew a gasket and tore that kid apart for calling him a Navy E7. Afterwards some NCO explained that you guys call warrant officers chief. That poor young troop was so stressed out that I think they awarded him a Distinguished Warfare Medal on the spot.
Lol - gunner don't play no bs.
The Gunny I met yesterday didn't feel like a gasket blowing type. Very relaxed, laid back but some how still imposing? Either way as others said earlier - I felt like an insect in comparison.
The Gunny I met yesterday didn't feel like a gasket blowing type. Very relaxed, laid back but some how still imposing? Either way as others said earlier - I felt like an insect in comparison.
What's the normal career progression for a Warrant Officer? Ours are at the end of the enlisted track, so if you stay in long enough and are proficient enough you'll eventually be a Warrant Officer Class Two and then if you have the goods a Warrant Officer Class One and then if you're kissed on the dick you'll get Regimental Sergeant Major of the Army.
But I gather yours are technical experts or pilots. Is there a certain rank you have to achieve before you can go for a Warrant, is it something your career managers steer you towards, or something you chase off your own bat?
But I gather yours are technical experts or pilots. Is there a certain rank you have to achieve before you can go for a Warrant, is it something your career managers steer you towards, or something you chase off your own bat?
Kind of wish I had the thread title as:
The first time you met your team's senior enlisted man or something
The first time you met your team's senior enlisted man or something
Another little cultural note for everyone here: Gunner refers to an infantry warrant officer ONLY. Some units will refer to other Marine warrant officers as gunners but this is INCORRECT. You will get hazed if you do that in earshot of a bursting bomb gunner.
I'm getting some huge chuckles here. I feel your pain Hate Ape. But, Teufel is spot on. Gots to use the correct terminology.
Do you get many guys that are fully up to speed as SFMG/Anti Tank/DFSW and Mortars? We get a few guys who will get a shot at the different trades (I was recon and regi sigs, which is pretty common in recon/sniper circles and worked with a lot of blokes that were recon and assault pioneer trained) but not too many cross train as SFMG/AT/DFSW and mortars, or is that something that a WO will start learning as a CW1/2 before getting to CW5?
Even the ones who are W1, who are technically "Mr." or "Miss."
When I was in the 160th, many of the warrants were referred to, and referred to each other as, "Mr." even though they were chief warrant officers. In fact, I got hemmed up by the designated asshole at my assessment board for referring to a CW3 as "chief." "Why did you call him 'chief,' do you see any feathers? Refer to him as 'mister!'"
I'm not in the army so I wasnt entirely certain who teufel was addressing. I know the difference between a gunner and my/any gunny but certainly wasn't aware of the army's definition of TC. I called him GySgt when I walked in his office. He is the team chief and is recognized as such so I guess I'm missing the point being made about terminology.
When you said Team Chief I assumed you were talking about an ODA team chief (aka warrant) or SOT-A. Marines normally have platoon sergeants, company gunnies, or ops chiefs. I'm not a MARSOC guy so maybe they have GySgt team chiefs. I hate to say this but I didn't realize you were a Marine. Semper Fi?
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In the Navy and Coast Guard, you must have a minimum of 12 years and be E-7 promotable to be eligible for the CWO program (with the exception of Flying CWOs). The time/rank standards are higher than for other branches (with the exception of the USMC Weapons WO program), but instead of adjusting it to fit what seems to work in other branches, they simply omitted the rank of CWO1 to 'solve' the problem of E-7s getting paid less as a WO1 per TIS. Navy/Coast Guard Warrant Officers all start at the rank of CWO2.
Lol - Do or die.
Gunny is MSgt select from what I've been told and every other team chief that I've met/heard of was a MSgt as well that came from the force community. This is the first MarSOC team I've been around so it's new for me too. Rather than the typical SNCOIC and OIC title it's marked as team chief and team leader. It will follow down as assistant team chief (I think) and then the element leaders. Beyond the team level I never met anyone titled "co guns" but there was your standard ops chief, comm chief, 1st Sgt, etc...
I went there early to meet the people/team I'm deploying with to see what work needed to be done comms wise and to really just meet the guys. I don't attach till late spring early summer for workups but Ill be dropping by frequently until SERE starts. When I'm certain of the break down and how stuff works within the next week or so, I'll update the thread.
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Alright...just want to straighten some things out.
MARSOC MSOT:
Team Leader, Captain
Team Chief, Master Sergeant (but almost always a Gunnery Sergeant)
Operations SNCO, Gunnery Sergeant (mostly a Staff Sergeant)
Communications Chief, Gunnery Sergeant (this billet is ALWAYS overlooked, and instead all the responsibility is given to a young MNOC graduate without the title or credit. People created the billet Assistant Operations Chief,which is not a real billet at all, but continues to be used to put a higher ranking dude with littlepers tonal experience)
Element Leader, Staff Sergeant (there are two of these).
I know that went off topic,let's bring er back in. My Team Chief didn't say one word to me for about a month. Needless to say, I had no idea if I was doing a good job or not.
MARSOC MSOT:
Team Leader, Captain
Team Chief, Master Sergeant (but almost always a Gunnery Sergeant)
Operations SNCO, Gunnery Sergeant (mostly a Staff Sergeant)
Communications Chief, Gunnery Sergeant (this billet is ALWAYS overlooked, and instead all the responsibility is given to a young MNOC graduate without the title or credit. People created the billet Assistant Operations Chief,which is not a real billet at all, but continues to be used to put a higher ranking dude with littlepers tonal experience)
Element Leader, Staff Sergeant (there are two of these).
I know that went off topic,let's bring er back in. My Team Chief didn't say one word to me for about a month. Needless to say, I had no idea if I was doing a good job or not.
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