The Jeffrey Epstein Scandal

At least their messaging has been consolidated.

Namely, that in the recent thorough review of the files maintained by the FBI in the Epstein case, no evidence was uncovered that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties.
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Two things.

1. Bolded implies files are held outside of the FBI/DOJ. Wonder which agencies might have those?

2. That's a very specific bit about "no evidence for charges". Ok, but who still went to the island after Jeff was a known/charged pedo? That's a big part of what is being asked for.

President Trump has told us to release all credible evidence.
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"The files are real, but fake stuff was created by the Dems (that they never used). Trust us that we give true information and not the dirty fake stuff those dems made up (which again, never leaked or was used to influence the election)."

If Ghislane Maxwell has information about anyone who has committed crimes against victims, the FBI and the DOJ will hear what she has to say.
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So the DOJ/FBI didnt do this when she was arrested and charged in 2021?
 
Cookie_ said:
At least their messaging has been consolidated.


Two things.

1. Bolded implies files are held outside of the FBI/DOJ. Wonder which agencies might have those?

2. That's a very specific bit about "no evidence for charges". Ok, but who still went to the island after Jeff was a known/charged pedo? That's a big part of what is being asked for.


"The files are real, but fake stuff was created by the Dems (that they never used). Trust us that we give true information and not the dirty fake stuff those dems made up (which again, never leaked or was used to influence the election)."


So the DOJ/FBI didnt do this when she was arrested and charged in 2021?
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She was arrested in 2020. So by Trumps justice department, based on fake files. Remember Epstein was also arrested and charged by the Trump justice department, based on made up files by Obama.

This is what I am supposed to believe?
 
I have to give "them" credit for taking something straightforward and turning it into a magic show. Sleight of hand, misdirection, and now people think David Copperfield is making buildings disappear. The waters are so muddied people will dig in along some type of party line, call each other names, make accusation, blah, blah, bullshit.

Admit nothing.
Deny everything.
Make counteraccusations.

The one thing people will lose sight of, or cease to care about for the aforementioned reasons, is both parties are protecting people who traffic pre-teens and children for sex. Both parties are protecting some of the lowest of low in humanity and no one will soon care because some political figure (with skin in the game!) told them "trust me, there's nothing to see."

People are stupid and that's why we need a gigantic space rock. Again, "for the children" is almost always a lie. It isn't about children, it is about control. "They" hate you and you're okay with that so long as "your guy" is in charge.

Space rock. Accept no substitutes.
 
AWP said:
I have to give "them" credit for taking something straightforward and turning it into a magic show. Sleight of hand, misdirection, and now people think David Copperfield is making buildings disappear. The waters are so muddied people will dig in along some type of party line, call each other names, make accusation, blah, blah, bullshit.

Admit nothing.
Deny everything.
Make counteraccusations.

The one thing people will lose sight of, or cease to care about for the aforementioned reasons, is both parties are protecting people who traffic pre-teens and children for sex. Both parties are protecting some of the lowest of low in humanity and no one will soon care because some political figure (with skin in the game!) told them "trust me, there's nothing to see."

People are stupid and that's why we need a gigantic space rock. Again, "for the children" is almost always a lie. It isn't about children, it is about control. "They" hate you and you're okay with that so long as "your guy" is in charge.

Space rock. Accept no substitutes.
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Classic government.

TLDR20 said:
Mike Johnson saying “we are done being lectured about transparency” just shows how out of touch our politicians are with the people.
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Definitely done being lectured by Democrats who have only tried to destroy this country and subvert multiple elections.
 
Topkick said:
Agree, but have the Republicans been as transparent as they claimed they were going to be?
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Definitely not. I mean most of the people wanting transparency are the base.

TLDR20 said:
I thought we were going to get transparency. Instead we are getting a clear stoppage to something almost everyone agrees is a good thing.
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We just have to understand who he's speaking to. He's not speaking to the base. Why? Because the Democrats are using this as an issue (good on them, that's how the game is played).
 
I cant help but wonder - how much data did establishment republicans memory hole when they FIRST had control of the no-list-of-names and the democrats were screaming for it to be released because it would surely implicate Trump ???
...how much more data did the diddlecrats memory hole when it was republicans screaming for the release, just to prove that it was the Clintons
...and who exactly was left on "the list" to purge after the republicans got a second chance to hide what still hadn't been released yet

There are a few things that I cant help but point to as my biggest "why nots"

Why not republicans release PROOF that the diddlecrats were the offspring of Emperor Palpatine waaaay back in 2019 when they still had over a year left in office to 'out' the leftists that may have been cavorting with Epstein?

Why not diddlecrat names 'leaked' as an "October Surprise" just before the 2020 election to help Trump win?

Why not diddlecrats release Epstein files during the FOUR YEARS that they had control of the no-list-of-names to PROVE that OrangeManBad?

Why not diddlecrats investigate Trump for being such good friends with Jeffy instead of all that effort they expended fabricating a 34 charge long list of unforgivable felonies?

Why not diddlecrats dump Epstein evidence when Joe Biden took a shit in his diaper onstage during the debate?

Why not diddlecrats dump Epstein evidence when Joe Biden took a shit in his diaper during sit down with George Snuffalupagus?

Why not diddlecrats dump Epstein evidence when Kamala Harris was busy being Kamala Harris to help beat Trump in the general election?

There is nothing that will EVER convince me that either of these dirty conniving corrupt bands of greedy back stabbing political cultists wouldn't have immediately started standing on street corners, handing out flyers with "the smoking gun" information that would prove that their opponents were the "real" villains in this scandalous chapter of human history?

Why not?
These mother fuckers leak EVERYTHING.
They leak everything on everyone.

For the love of peace and midnight basketball - if these politicians and their apparatchiks don't have something to leak - they will fucking FABRICATE something to leak...
...and then
...they'll leak it.

But here we are - six full years down the road from that day that the FBI raided PDF-file island and started pulling boxes and boxes and boxes and boxes of "evidence" out of the compound...
...and all we have is a few minutes a "raw" video that has been outed as being edited numerous times
...with a few minutes of footage cut from it
...and still "no list"

I can even accept Spam Blondie saying that "KP" related evidence will NEVER be released.
I'm pretty ok with that.
You know, "for the children"
...but, if there is KP evidence, wouldn't there also have to be some guilty parties on film doing it ?
If there is no footage of people engaging in such behavior, then how could such horrific footage even exist?

If it was ALL just a bunch of KP footage, with nobody but good ole' Jeffy boy and his poor victims; victims supplied by Jizzlane Maxwell, then wouldn't it have been a lot more socially responsible to just share that knowledge with the public four or five years ago?
"Hey America, Jeffy boy is a dead PDF-file, and his concubine and coconspirator Jizzlane Maxxwell is going to prison is going away for a looooong time - good night, and God Bless America - that is all"
...aaand boom goes the dynamite - this would have been long forgotten about if they'd have just exposed his dirty laundry, prosecuted his harlot, and went about their business.

Instead; our elected Court Jesters inside the beltway decided there was more leverage in weaponizing the accusations - regardless of the existence or any evidence. Why come clean when I can just throw exaggerations, allegations, embellishments, insinuations, and innuendo at my adversaries like a band of wild chimpanzees throwing their shit at passing tourists...

These cocksuckers have been jumping in front of cameras and claiming to "have seen the smoking gun" for so goddamned long now that most of them can't even keep their story straight anymore. I'm just not buying it. If the democrats had something on Trump - even if it was just concrete proof that he "knew" something and didn't do anything about it - it would have been all over the news years ago.
...right along with all of the additional shit they'd have fabricated just to make look so much worse than it really was.

On the other side of that coin - if the republicans ever had ANYTHING on the Clintons, or the Obama's, or the Schumer's, Bill Richardson, George Mitchell, Bill Gates, or any of the other prominent left wing nut jobs, it would have been leaked. Even if that "evidence" did nothing but take the heat off of accusations that Don and Jeffy were besties - that shit would have bene leaked by now.

Nothing
Crickets
No list
No co-conspirators
Even though both parties have been promising us an insider look at the smoking gun for right at six years now.
Radio Silence on the evidence for six years.

So, what are the logical possibilities?
What is the PROBABILITY that these possibilities are viable?
Can these slimy pricks really stay this tight lipped when it is SO easy to leak shit in the digital age?
For fuck sake - Jim Comey almost toppled a duly elected sitting POTUS even after admitting that he INTENTIONALLY leaked fabricated evidence to a friend in the newspaper business knowing it would generate enough interest to start an investigation
...yet nooooobody wasever talking about "who is on the list"

If the shadow government of the "deep state" - the same deep state that we are also also doesn't exist - really is that fucking powerful, then we are already well and truly fucked and none of this really matters. If THAT is what we think is going on - then we should all just relax and try to enjoy what little bit of freedom we have left before we all get turned into Soylent Green nutritional wafers - while the elite dine on fresh bread and strawberry jam.

Maybe there is a grain of truth to "no list" and "the list" is nothing more than the flight logs of people that flew on the lolita express - but by weaponizing the accusation that "I've seen the list, and YOU'RE guy is on it" has been a lie all along.
Now it has grown legs and become a real boy.

Maybe,
juuuuust maybe, everyone in DC is corrupt...

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...and the reasons 'we the people' can't get a straight answer is because EVERYONE in permanent DC is guilty
Maybe I'm just jaded and they really didn't do it.

After all - we all thought Diddy really did it.
Turns out - Diddy didn't do it.
 
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Topkick said:
What am I missing? We've known that Trump knew Epstein and he appears in the stateside flight logs. That info was released awhile ago and Trump didn't deny it.
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It's buried in the caption to the post.

"Last week, in response to a reporter's question, Trump stated Bondi hadn't told him his name was in the files."

Like you've said, everybody knows a number of people (Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew, etc) are going to be in the files; it's not new information, nor is it proof of wrongdoing.

The story is highlighting how desperately he's attempting to distance himself from this and present it as fake documents witchhunt, when all he has to do is say "I was friends with that monster before I knew he was a pedo, thats why my name pops up in documents."
 
@Cookie_ to answer your question about “who has the files”- the IC.

Jeff Epstein had a Saudi passport, was close friends with Adnan Kashoggie and the Saudi govt.

We don’t have to re-hash Ghislane’s dad.

Bottom line, Epstein was 100% connected to foreign intel agencies, we just don’t know how many and what he was doing. My guess is he was working for multiple agencies, maybe even our CIA, or at least providing them info. Just takes a little pinch (like the Florida 2007) to see how protected. Dead to rights to a Florida tracking case and he gets the most disgusting plea deal ever seen.

My opinion is that either he was already working with/on the CIA’s radar and got the plea cause he was an asset, or that plea was a little gift to make a source. I personally believe the former but don’t think the latter is so out of this world to consider.

So the CIA and probably the NSA have a *shit ton* of files on Epstein I’d bet dollars to doughnuts. Either way (asset or foreign agent), the CIA knew his name.

Here’s something people are missing- the FBI deals in things they can prove in court. Using highly classified stuff is not only a pain for read ins and handling etc, they also can’t use that in court. Cause classified.

Random aside, this is where the FBI going “we don’t have anything!” or even “it doesn’t exist!”
might make sense. Because they don’t, it’s TS or higher and because they don’t know who to ask for for ‘need to know’ access. The CIA isn’t beating down their door to give them evidence. I’m more willing to bet the FBI isn’t completely retarded and the parsing of ‘what we (meaning the fbi specifically and not the wider umbrella of all of it) have’ is malicious political doublespeak.


When I say “I want it all”, I mean high side too. I want everything.

And since the president can declassify whatever he wants- easy.
 
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