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I guess we'll see.
I want to hit this first; I agree with you on these takes.
It could be a conspiracy theory that actually is completely innocent, but we've already established, neither of us believe that.
I gave two reasons for withholding information; either engaging in acts, or protecting those who engaged.
I suppose there can be a third, which is "I was never involved in the child-stuff, but I am in the documents as an associate and those I'll take a major hit to my character/personal life."
Granted, I would think someone is a selfish coward if they chose to protect their reputation instead of naming powerful abusers, but maybe thats just me.
Yea, the guy saying "who cares about this guy?" and claiming it's all fake documents to get him in trouble totally is acting like a reasonable person.
Me not liking Trump has nothing to do with it, as I'd be making the same points should it have been someone else in the seat. We've all assumed since Biden was in office that the documents/names weren't being released because it would implicate many powerful people.
He gets extra vitriol for having a whole administration of personnel that made comments about that, swore up and down they'd do something, and then suddenly try to jedi mind-trick the population once they're in power.
If a bunch of the political/social elites were engaged in this shit, burn it all down. Anyone who tries to protect them to "maintain the status quo" is a complict coward.
EVEN IF there's truly nothing there, this whole weird song and dance means most people will never believe that.
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Seperate bit, same topic; I really look forward to seeing if Ro Khanna forces a vote and who votes against it/why.
We all have a certain level of ethics and morals. Human behavior and beliefs exist on a sliding scale. We also have varying levels of self-preservation or the preservation of our loved ones. Dan Bongino has a wife and two daughters. Dan the dad and Dan the bachelor aren't the same man and I don't hate him for it, especially given what we all believe to be in those files.
Dan. Won't. Talk. He will go back to work, avoid the press, and maybe the spotlight for awhile. In due time he'll resign and go back to his podcast, repeating whatever cover story, spin, you name it he's been told to say. The best we can hope for is a "dead man's hand" release of documents should he die of 2 self-inflicted GSWs to the back of the head.
I hope I'm wrong about all of the above, btw.
Dan. Won't. Talk. He will go back to work, avoid the press, and maybe the spotlight for awhile. In due time he'll resign and go back to his podcast, repeating whatever cover story, spin, you name it he's been told to say. The best we can hope for is a "dead man's hand" release of documents should he die of 2 self-inflicted GSWs to the back of the head.
I hope I'm wrong about all of the above, btw.
This will be interesting to watch.
Understand your points, as per our usual agreement, I disagree with the very premise of most of them, but that's ok.
To the remaining- Ro is a smart politician. As a smart politician, he's seizing on the admin's current infighting and bein an opportunist for his own gain. He's never even posted before about Jeff Epstein before 10 July, 2025- let alone call for a vote.
Politicians be politicking, the vote goes nowhere, and we get no answers.
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What is it that he did that suggests he doesn't have ethics? Did I miss it?
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I'd say it wasn't just the current Trump admin that "bungled" the Epstein "investigation"
- It was bungled in 2006 during the Bush administration
-It was bungled in 2007 with a half assed plea deal.
- It was bungled in 2008 when the FBI sent a letter to victims urging patience while they “conduct a thorough investigation” even though the investigation was already over and that a non-prosecution agreement had already been signed.
- It was bungled in 2009 when he was released from jail on "house arrest"
-It was bungled in 2019 when he was suicided
-It was bungled by fours years of democrats having control of "the list" and telling everyone that "there IS a list and Donald Trump is on it" without actually EVER releasing any information that actually proved that the list exist.
This is just the latest in a 20 year old history of letting the rich and powerful do as they please without fear of consequence.
Trump is guilty of a lot of things - but single handedly fucking up the "Epstein Investigation" isn't really one of them.
just my two cents
- It was bungled in 2006 during the Bush administration
-It was bungled in 2007 with a half assed plea deal.
- It was bungled in 2008 when the FBI sent a letter to victims urging patience while they “conduct a thorough investigation” even though the investigation was already over and that a non-prosecution agreement had already been signed.
- It was bungled in 2009 when he was released from jail on "house arrest"
-It was bungled in 2019 when he was suicided
-It was bungled by fours years of democrats having control of "the list" and telling everyone that "there IS a list and Donald Trump is on it" without actually EVER releasing any information that actually proved that the list exist.
This is just the latest in a 20 year old history of letting the rich and powerful do as they please without fear of consequence.
Trump is guilty of a lot of things - but single handedly fucking up the "Epstein Investigation" isn't really one of them.
just my two cents
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I looked up the timeline of the Epstein case...I had no idea when it started...the below timeline from AP is pretty interesting.
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March 2005: Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police that Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.
May 2006: Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county’s top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.
July 2006: Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.
2007: Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager’s lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein’s lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.
June 2008: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney’s office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.
July 2009: Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein’s victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain’s Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.
November 2018: The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein’s case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.
July 6, 2019: Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude that they weren’t bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.
Aug. 10, 2019: Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.
July 2, 2020: Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.
Dec. 30, 2021: After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.
June 28, 2022: Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.
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March 2005: Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police that Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.
May 2006: Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county’s top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.
July 2006: Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.
2007: Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager’s lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein’s lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.
June 2008: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney’s office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.
July 2009: Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein’s victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein’s accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain’s Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.
November 2018: The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein’s case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump’s labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.
July 6, 2019: Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude that they weren’t bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.
Aug. 10, 2019: Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.
July 2, 2020: Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.
Dec. 30, 2021: After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.
June 28, 2022: Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.
At least we're consistent! Lol
100% agreed with this take. It's an opportunistic move to see how many Republicans vote against it, which will be used against them in the mid-terms.
I would love to see it actually lead to anything, but fully acknowledge it'll more than likely just extend this story another few weeks at best.
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In other news, did you guys know that Original flavored Goldfish were white, no cheddar, and lightly salted. My wife bought some yesterday and my mind was blown.
Welp, knowing this admin this is either just a start of a press conference, WWIII, a nothingburger, or another historical event.
Someone threw an item over the fence and the SS (hilarious to me BTW) followed protocol and shut it all down.
It isn't like they drove a fireworks laden cybertruck on the grounds.
Here, I fixed this headline for everyone.
"President Trump frees child slaves from working indentured servitude for the Cartel at one of Gavin Newsom's donors' marijuana farm."
Founder of Cali pot farm where ICE rescued dozens of kids and busted 300+ migrants donated to Gavin Newsom, other Dems
"President Trump frees child slaves from working indentured servitude for the Cartel at one of Gavin Newsom's donors' marijuana farm."
Founder of Cali pot farm where ICE rescued dozens of kids and busted 300+ migrants donated to Gavin Newsom, other Dems
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Did they catch the person or are they dead because the rooftop guys did their job?
I am guessing- stern talking to.
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