The Trump Presidency 2.0

[amlove21]

@amlove21 Security breach of the highest order =/= collateral secret.

There isn't a rulebook for this. There isn't any type of flow chart. Each security incident is different. And there is absolutely a difference between a leak and a spill. What led to the spill? What led to the leak? Was anything leaked? Who did their on boarding? Their security training? Are there even records of that training? What did the training cover? Did it cover this scenario? What was the classification of the info? What was the fall out? Was anything compromised? There's a million other questions and it's all weighed to determine the final outcome.

Someone in the group chat saw something they shouldn't have. That someone was put there by Alex Wong. He's to blame for the information being seen. The cabinet shouldn't be conducting business on Signal, but that's their perogative, and their risk to accept. At our level, we cannot accept that risk; we're not authorized to.

SECDEF isn't getting fired. Waltz isn't getting fired. The journalist isn't going to jail. Worst case Alex Wong gets fired and we move on.

Ok... so then why all the outrage? Was this a nothingburger? Or was it a national security issues?

In this nebulous set of rules that now apparently doesn't exist we spent 4 days (without reading the actual full text of the chat for about 3 of those days) saying in very black and white terms that this was a violation. Hegseth was stupid and everyone on the chat shared secrets and it was spillage. Now, when it comes to the meat and potatoes of accountability (which we all *say* we want)- NOW there is all this nuance and context and things we have to consider?

Now we are at the end of this one- no one is getting fired, or charged, or held accountable in any way it seems. Which means- we just wasted 8 pages of rage for nothing.

Your bolded could have been the only post on this issue when this story broke a week ago.

ETA- You're correct about a leak vs spill- you said yourself we have both and neither party will be held accountable.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Hey guys, the last administration set the standards on accountability. The press has already done more in a week to the SECDEF than they did in four years with the entirety of the last administration.

 

[RackMaster]

I wish US and Canadian MSM would be covering more of these stories. This is just part of the reason Trump is so hard on Canada.

Canadian Banks Tied to Chinese Fentanyl Laundering Risk U.S. Treasury Sanctions After Cartel Terror Designation

 

[amlove21]

Nothing to see here.

Judge Boasberg somehow got "randomly selected" (that's how federal cases are assigned) to oversee the nothingburger Signal issue. Here's a quick history of his rulings/actions-

1) FISA Court Judge during issuance of Carter Page FISA.

2) Reviewed/Approved James Comey’s memos prior to release in 2018.

3) He oversaw the release of Clinton emails in Hillary’s case back in 2016.

4) Gave FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith probation for lying to the FISA Court by fundamentally altering a CIA email that exonerated Carter Page.

5) Appointed Mary McCord (ran NSD at DOJ/Gen Flynn) as amicus curiae advisor to the FISA court—AFTER McCord played a material role in personally misleading the FISA Court in the Page FISA.

6) Involved in the Ray Epps case, giving Epps probation while calling Epps and his wife “victims” of conspiracy theories.

7) Presided over 70+ J6 cases. Imposed excessive prison time even for minor offenses—including a breast cancer victim. Said the law wasn’t harsh enough to punish J6ers the way he wanted—despite his blatant leniency for Epps.

8) Took time out to personally attend Trump’s DC trial, seemingly just for the enjoyment of it.

9) Family (Wife/Sister/Daughter) deeply involved in liberal NGOs.

10) Wife is the founder of an abortion NGO funded by USAID grants.

11) Daughter works for NGO (Partners for Justice) funded by USAID grants that offers legal aid to illegal immigrants—including members of MS-13 and Tren de Aragua.

"There is no deep state"- @Marauder06 , sarcastically.

 

[Marauder06]

Nothing to see here.

Judge Boasberg somehow got "randomly selected" (that's how federal cases are assigned) to oversee the nothingburger Signal issue. Here's a quick history of his rulings/actions-

1) FISA Court Judge during issuance of Carter Page FISA.

2) Reviewed/Approved James Comey’s memos prior to release in 2018.

3) He oversaw the release of Clinton emails in Hillary’s case back in 2016.

4) Gave FBI Lawyer Kevin Clinesmith probation for lying to the FISA Court by fundamentally altering a CIA email that exonerated Carter Page.

5) Appointed Mary McCord (ran NSD at DOJ/Gen Flynn) as amicus curiae advisor to the FISA court—AFTER McCord played a material role in personally misleading the FISA Court in the Page FISA.

6) Involved in the Ray Epps case, giving Epps probation while calling Epps and his wife “victims” of conspiracy theories.

7) Presided over 70+ J6 cases. Imposed excessive prison time even for minor offenses—including a breast cancer victim. Said the law wasn’t harsh enough to punish J6ers the way he wanted—despite his blatant leniency for Epps.

8) Took time out to personally attend Trump’s DC trial, seemingly just for the enjoyment of it.

9) Family (Wife/Sister/Daughter) deeply involved in liberal NGOs.

10) Wife is the founder of an abortion NGO funded by USAID grants.

11) Daughter works for NGO (Partners for Justice) funded by USAID grants that offers legal aid to illegal immigrants—including members of MS-13 and Tren de Aragua.

"There is no deep state"- @Marauder06 , sarcastically.

No deep state, and no sex in the champagne room.

NONE.

Chris Rock said so.

 

[Florida173]

Who is the injured party?

 

[amlove21]

Who is the injured party?

What a fantastic question!

The judge. The judge alone, in these cases against the admin, is acting as the injured party. There is no legal precedence for these types of challenges, and "judicial review" of EO's is well outside of the scope of this judge's authority.

 

[amlove21]

... are we the baddies?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907045145184276942

 

[Cookie_]

... are we the baddies?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1907045145184276942

The US Government and CIA since after WW2:

 

[amlove21]

The US Government and CIA since after WW2:
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I will give you +1 for the IASIP meme, but I prefer Bulking Mac.

 

[AWP]

The USG funding illegal narcotics is nothing new, all DOGE did was shed light on the latest iteration.

We had a guy on our contract who left the DEA/ Dyncorp program designed to destroy poppy fields. They couldn't even allude to poppy production increasing despite the program's gazillion dollar funding.

 

[Marauder06]

This was very much a thing during the war in Afghanistan. We paid lip service to poppy eradication, as did the Taliban. In fact, back in the day the Taliban were lauded for "cracking down on the opium trade."

lol, they weren't cracking down, they were eliminating the competition and monopolizing the industry. Supply and demand, bitches.

There was much hullaballoo about US-led eradication efforts during the war. "But you'll destroy those peoples' livelihoods!!" You mean the people making some of the most addictive and destructive shit in the world and who are deliberately or through extortion supporting the Taliban? Uh... good?

 

[Devildoc]

This was very much a thing during the war in Afghanistan. We paid lip service to poppy eradication, as did the Taliban. In fact, back in the day the Taliban were lauded for "cracking down on the opium trade."

lol, they weren't cracking down, they were eliminating the competition and monopolizing the industry. Supply and demand, bitches.

There was much hullaballoo about US-led eradication efforts during the war. "But you'll destroy those peoples' livelihoods!!" You mean the people making some of the most addictive and destructive shit in the world and who are deliberately or through extortion supporting the Taliban? Uh... good?

Why couldn't we have just trained them to make poppy seed muffins instead?

 

[amlove21]

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[Box]

I'm just glad these patriotic judges are filing so many lawsuits - this way when POTUS ignores them and the democrats get a few more seats in the house they can impeach him - again - for abuse of power - again.

"Boy, is this great !!"

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

The USG funding illegal narcotics is nothing new, all DOGE did was shed light on the latest iteration.

We had a guy on our contract who left the DEA/ Dyncorp program designed to destroy poppy fields. They couldn't even allude to poppy production increasing despite the program's gazillion dollar funding.

My friend's dad was on that contract for a while. Pretty simple to run a quad through the crop dragging a rigged up 2x4, voila, no heroin. They didn't do that many times.

The things he had to say were interesting.

 

[amlove21]

Ah yes, the old playbook.

1- Replacement theory is a xenophobic, bigoted conspiracy theory. It's not happening.
2- Ok, we admit that "demographics are destiny", and while we support it, it's not what you're making it out to be.
3- We support it, we need it to happen- but the real problem is that you're noticing it. REPUBLICANS POUNCE AGAIN!
3- FINE! Yes, we are trying to give non-citizens the right to vote. Still, it has nothing to do with our tanking approval or the fact that we've alienated anyone close to "moderate." If we don't allow non-citizens to vote, we will never win another election again. It's so important we have to sue you over voter ID.
(You are here)

 

[amlove21]

On a different note, alleged lizard person and factual bringer of doom to the best US state in the union (Cali) Gavin Newsom has been sprinting towards the middle in hopes of a 2028 run, despite what he will tell you (because he's a liar with no compunction). His record alone in San Francisco and as the Governor of California should cause the output of retiring in shame and obscurity for the rest of his life, however, that's not how this game works.

I've listened to his podcast, it's retarded. That's not the point.

The point is- he's committing the worst possible crime one can commit on his side of the aisle- apostasy. Watching the left react to his "platforming" of Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon has been hilarious. Gavin may fool some low-IQ/low-order voters with this new move, but like the rest of the left, he's about 5 years too late to start a podcast and his messaging even gets flamed by CNN and other mainstream outlets.

As always, the lesson is that the left absolutely cannot meme, and their inability to grasp the social/new media space while desperately trying to distance themselves from the Democrat boiler plate platform issues is giving comedy.

+2, continue.

 

[Marauder06]

It seems that the people who think they may have a legit shot at national office in competitive future elections are breaking from extremism and feigning centrality. Joe Biden did it.

But at the same time, I think that a lot of people on the left are, like the rest of America, tired of the extreme left's bullshit over things like BLM, DEI, defund the police, etc., and are kind of breathing a sigh of relief that they can blame a return to sanity on Orange Man Bad and his evil supporters.

 

[amlove21]

I think we didn't call the floor correctly for Snow White. The more video I see of Rechel Zegler, the more I yearn for the sweet relief of a comet.

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