The Trump Presidency 2.0

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As always, we can see how it plays out. What's the difference between the government assigning you a social security number and getting a card? I don't have to present my card to do anything that requires a social- I just put my number in the space. So if they have a number...?

I was working on a response but @ThunderHorse provided a much more in depth response than anything I had typed up.

That last part in particular is what is giving me pause. Every GO knows that heads are rolling. Why would you give another reason to put your head on the block, especially over something stupid?

Also, all I'm seeing is circular reporting based on the same meme. No link to any official-looking story.

The only thing I've seen anyone actually find is she was on a list of Woke military leadership.

Her "wokeness" was Speaking at a Women's Day Event in 2015

Chatfield's public record includes support for diversity efforts that critics say put her in the crosshairs. Her name was listed in a recent letter sent by the conservative American Accountability Foundation to Hegseth calling for the removal of officials defined as "woke."

The letter cited her speech during a 2015 Women's Equality Day event, in which she said: "Investing in empowering women can unlock human potential." It also cited her use of the phrase "our diversity is our strength," a sentiment that Hegseth has publicly derided in recent statements.

 

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Spitballing...if there's a US office space or Navy office space, I can see the requirement to hang pictures of the COC like any other military office. Badmouthing any current admin while in uniform is a bad play, I don't know if that meets the criteria for relief...because I just don't know.

I don't want military leadership to blindly obey our elected officials, I want them to question orders and directives, foreign policy, and a host of topics. I don't want a puppet in uniform. I also don't want someone to fight, resist, or disobey simply because they don't like the admin. Didn't we learn anything (BWAHAHAAHAHAA!!! I'm funny) from MacArthur and Truman?

Fight it, argue it, make your case and if you're still told to shut up and color, your time in uniform isn't some birthright or whatever. No one is stopping you from retiring in protest and going on every news show on this planet and speaking your mind. If you're a FOGO you should know this by now. Should.

Publicly criticizing POTUS or SecDef is a UCMJ violation.
If she got the photos and refused to put them up, that would be disobeying a lawful order, another UCMJ offense.
They can question orders, but at the end o the day they are required to FOLLOW THOSE LAWFUL ORDERS, not tell everyone "I can wait him out" (which would be another UCMJ violation).

 

[amlove21]

I was working on a response but @ThunderHorse provided a much more in depth response than anything I had typed up.




The only thing I've seen anyone actually find is she was on a list of Woke military leadership.

Her "wokeness" was Speaking at a Women's Day Event in 2015

Well… that was one example, right? Along with her command decision to not put up the pics as directed? Disobeying a lawful order/support good order and discipline in favor of your personal political ideology is pretty ‘woke’, and I’ll go ahead and assume that from 2015-now, there’s probably a time or two in that decade we could find another example.

Again, I’m not agreeing with firing her u til we can figure out what cause justifies it… but just reading these messages we have examples of how she’s putting her penchant for DEI before her service. If I was giving her the least amount of grace I could.

 

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I think I'm on record for my feelings about DEI in the military, which, to be clear, are negative.

At the same time, DEI was what we all did--what we had to do--during the last administration. I went to a whole bunch of DEI training I didn't want to during my last couple of years on active duty, because I was ordered to. Leaders of military formations were ordered to implement DEI policies and support DEI directives. Those were shitty orders but they were legal, just like the ones dismantling DEI in the military (yay!) are today.

...are we going after senior military leaders for carrying out what were at the time the lawful orders of the legitimately elected President of the United States? I hope there's more nuance than that.

 

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are we going after senior military leaders for carrying out what were at the time the lawful orders of the legitimately elected President of the United States? I hope there's more nuance than that.

The current pattern for determining wokeness is:

Woman
Black
JAG
Anyone who's made comments about "diversity"

 

[Devildoc]

I think I'm on record for my feelings about DEI in the military, which, to be clear, are negative.

At the same time, DEI was what we all did--what we had to do--during the last administration. I went to a whole bunch of DEI training I didn't want to during my last couple of years on active duty, because I was ordered to. Leaders of military formations were ordered to implement DEI policies and support DEI directives. Those were shitty orders but they were legal, just like the ones dismantling DEI in the military (yay!) are today.

...are we going after senior military leaders for carrying out what were at the time the lawful orders of the legitimately elected President of the United States? I hope there's more nuance than that.

Was it "what were at the time..."? Because if so that's a hugely dangerous precedent. But if this was within the past, what, 100-and-something days, I think it's legit.

I like the aggressive-aggressive people like her, she said (presumably) the quiet part out loud, she outed herself. It's the passive-aggressive ones lurking biding time not saying shit about whom I am concerned.

 

[Devildoc]

The current pattern for determining wokeness is:

Woman
Black
JAG
Anyone who's made comments about "diversity"

I would disagree that being a woman is the issue as they comprise just under 20% of all officers in all branches, and 170-something O7-10. If just being female was part of the math, we'd see a helluva a higher number being run out. I think anti-Trump/MAGA and pro-DEI are the triggers.

 

[Marauder06]

The current pattern for determining wokeness is:

Woman
Black
JAG
Anyone who's made comments about "diversity"

Come on brother, that's not even remotely accurate. Or fair.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I'll be honest, I don't know what Kash Patel is doing, and people talk about the confidence they have...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910019057497022759

But like...have a feel, maybe? Can we get a nominee up for confirmation.

Originally the Director of the FBI was granted a term of ten years so as to be more apolitical.

 

[Devildoc]

I'll be honest, I don't know what Kash Patel is doing, and people talk about the confidence they have...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910019057497022759

But like...have a feel, maybe? Can we get a nominee up for confirmation.

Originally the Director of the FBI was granted a term of ten years so as to be more apolitical.

I see this in the news, but no one is saying why. Following.

 

[amlove21]

The current pattern for determining wokeness is:

Woman
Black
JAG
Anyone who's made comments about "diversity"

Rare miss, -1.

 

[amlove21]

I'll be honest, I don't know what Kash Patel is doing, and people talk about the confidence they have...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1910019057497022759

But like...have a feel, maybe? Can we get a nominee up for confirmation.

Originally the Director of the FBI was granted a term of ten years so as to be more apolitical.

I am not following- Kash was dual-hatting as ATF/FBI director- he's still the FBI lead cop, and we nominated Dricsoll... is he not up for a senate hearing/confirmation? The ATF director's job is an appointment with a hearing.

 

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Come on brother, that's not even remotely accurate. Or fair.

Forgive me; Haugh was fired for "disloyalty".

Who's been fired in the past few months? 4 women, Army+Air Force JAGs, a few generals seen as "disloyal or DEI-supporting", and the black CJCS whom our SECDEF has said may have got the job because of DEI:

Was it because of his skin color? Or his skill? We’ll never know, but always doubt – which on its face seems unfair to CQ. But since he has made the race card one of his biggest calling cards, it doesn’t really much matter.

Now, I dont for one second believe you (or most others here) would determine "wokeness" in that way, but people in the administration do.
If you are a minority or woman it is almost always up for debate on if you "earned" your spot or not.

 

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Tarrif Update:

90 day pause for everyone but China; 125% on them.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I am not following- Kash was dual-hatting as ATF/FBI director- he's still the FBI lead cop, and we nominated Dricsoll... is he not up for a senate hearing/confirmation? The ATF director's job is an appointment with a hearing.

I wonder why they're not appointing someone directly for the ATF role and bouncing it around?

 

[Topkick]

If you are a minority or woman it is almost always up for debate on if you "earned" your spot or not.

Lol. Have you noticed how many women are in high level jobs in Trump's administration?

 

[ThunderHorse]

Lol. Have you noticed how many women are in high level jobs in Trump's administration?

First White House Chief of staff that is a woman is a Republican. Kind of a weird place to virtue signal.

 

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First White House Chief of staff that is a woman is a Republican. Kind of a weird place to virtue signal.

Trump has a shit ton of women in his administration, so I find it odd to claim his administration is somehow misogynistic or using it as a definition of wokeness.

 

[amlove21]

Tarrif Update:

90 day pause for everyone but China; 125% on them.

Stock market booming- did we all buy the dip? Your favorite president even gave you a heads up...

I wonder why they're not appointing someone directly for the ATF role and bouncing it around?

Ok I am more lost. They appointed Driscoll. If you have the right guy, why bounce it around? Kash took over while the agency had a vacancy (Dettlebach resigned on Jan 17th of this year), they found the guy (Driscoll), they appointed him, here we are? Are you just saying you wanted to know the name beforehand?

First White House Chief of staff that is a woman is a Republican. Kind of a weird place to virtue signal.

Dude, Susie Wiles is a SAVAGE. Just an absolute killer, she's been with Trump since the first admin, and is the driving force behind Trump 2.0.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Stock market booming- did we all buy the dip? Your favorite president even gave you a heads up...


Ok I am more lost. They appointed Driscoll. If you have the right guy, why bounce it around? Kash took over while the agency had a vacancy (Dettlebach resigned on Jan 17th of this year), they found the guy (Driscoll), they appointed him, here we are? Are you just saying you wanted to know the name beforehand?


Dude, Susie Wiles is a SAVAGE. Just an absolute killer, she's been with Trump since the first admin, and is the driving force behind Trump 2.0.

No, Driscoll is another interim appointment. Driscoll is the confirmed SECARM.