The Trump Presidency 2.0

[GOTWA]

I also don't think many of us would be fine with throwing cuts to these administrative backbone positions for most other national security-focused agencies either.

If I had to guess what employees were like at the Pentagon, I would bet many of them are absolutely incompetent, lazy, and the exact opposite of what this administration is looking for. So, yes, I would be fine with it as long as they are replaced with rockstars.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

"I don't think you were necessarily aware that folks holding a clearance are considered to be improperly accessing or misusing classified information if they encounter it through unclassified channels, or in this case via a public website, and could lose their clearance eligibility as a result."

I'm not sure what classified materials you're speaking of being realesed through DOGE.

However, it would be completely unheard of, if say a ton of sensitive DOD and DOS cables were leaked to the press, then clearance holders accessed those materials through public websites, and were then held accountable... Its not like that doesnt happen semi-frequently.

Rooting for DOGE to fail is like rooting for Saddam Hussein to rise from the dead. We don't need this shit. We do need that money.

 

[AWP]

If I had to guess what employees were like at the Pentagon, I would bet many of them are absolutely incompetent, lazy, and the exact opposite of what this administration is looking for. So, yes, I would be fine with it as long as they are replaced with rockstars.

The way the RIF's and RTO were/ are handled, government will be lucky to recruit rockstars. It will have to grow its own from recent college grads which will take time.
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Only 35 from my command took the buyout, none were from the -6 shop.

 

[AWP]

What should bother us about DOGE being hacked/ defaced is that Elon went out and hired these genius children to find gov't waste, but couldn't be assed to find one capable of building a website? I don't care if it hosts sensitive data or not, it is hastily thrown together on Cloudflare. Was GoDaddy not available that day? DOGE.gov looks like it was a 3000 level computer science project.

 

[GOTWA]

The way the RIF's and RTO were/ are handled, government will be lucky to recruit rockstars. It will have to grow its own from recent college grads which will take time.
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Only 35 from my command took the buyout, none were from the -6 shop.

And to further your point, firing a bunch of probationary employees, who very well might be part of that younger demographic, isn't going to help.

I absolutely have people in my office that shouldn't be in the work force. When someone comes up to me and tells me their monitor hasn't worked in 5 days, and they've had to use another desk, and then I go over there and turn the fucking computer on...we have a problem. There's no ROI there; it's simply a sunk cost.

What should bother us about DOGE being hacked/ defaced is that Elon went out and hired these genius children to find gov't waste, but couldn't be assed to find one capable of building a website? I don't care if it hosts sensitive data or not, it is hastily thrown together on Cloudflare. Was GoDaddy not available that day? DOGE.gov looks like it was a 3000 level computer science project.

Another thing to point out is the discovery of sloppily protected sensitive information. They are simply out of their depth in this world and when they stumble upon something they shouldn't have, they aren't going to know any better. This is not the way to assess all that public information that people continually talk about assessing, but never do. I'd bet my last dollar that the compilation of data from this social experiment is going to be a case study.

A general comment I want to make about networks that have been discovered via Shodan, there's a reason why RMF is a thing. Even though it is a thing, doesn't mean that every organization does it well. People should be more worried about the power going out at the grocery store than Russia wanting to conquer Europe. One could happen tomorrow, the other not in my lifetime. Based on Google AI results, the USA graduates 10k-25k cyber professionals every year to China's 185k. Statistically speaking, we aren't even competing. We shouldn't be pushing to "return money to the taxpayers," we should be pushing new initiatives to compete in the cyber domain.

Pick.
Your.
Poisson.

Nuclear warfare is not going to be our downfall.

 

[AWP]

A general comment I want to make about networks that have been discovered via Shodan, there's a reason why RMF is a thing. Even though it is a thing, doesn't mean that every organization does it well.

This right here, everyone. My job is RMF and you can't waltz into that role and be good at the job. It takes a few years to become competent. I've done it for 4 and I'm still learning. Our rockstars have done RMF and its predecessor for at least 10. All of us but the interns have 6+ years as SysAdmins before going into cybersecurity.

 

[Locksteady]

If I had to guess what employees were like at the Pentagon, I would bet many of them are absolutely incompetent, lazy, and the exact opposite of what this administration is looking for. So, yes, I would be fine with it as long as they are replaced with rockstars.

Agreed, though sadly, this is not that.

And to further your point, firing a bunch of probationary employees, who very well might be part of that younger demographic, isn't going to help.

Not only did they not focus on of NNSA's upwards-failing Pentagon equivalents - they exclusively targeted the probationary potential rockstars that we all agree should be the last focus of an effective RIF.

In fact, the administration has been targeting probationary employees for termination from day one and, just in the past two days, thousands of these prime new hires were singled out and fired following President Trump's instruction Thursday for federal agencies to specifically lay off their probationary employees by next Tuesday.

There are a number of ways to do RIF, but it seems like they're prioritizing speed of firing at the expense of talent. The CI risk alone due to the widespread termination of cleared (and understandably disgruntled) employees is scary enough, and I'd be surprised Chun Li and Svetlana hadn't already slid up into a few of those DMs already.

 

[ThunderHorse]

The way the RIF's and RTO were/ are handled, government will be lucky to recruit rockstars. It will have to grow its own from recent college grads which will take time.
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Only 35 from my command took the buyout, none were from the -6 shop.

GS-11s make plenty of coin. Government used to exceptionally underpaid, like enlisted underpaid back in the day. No longer. Working a Federal Job once you get past probation seems to be all love all the time. Like "Hot Mess in Denim Vest" .

Based on Google AI results, the USA graduates 10k-25k cyber professionals every year to China's 185k. Statistically speaking, we aren't even competing. We shouldn't be pushing to "return money to the taxpayers," we should be pushing new initiatives to compete in the cyber domain.

Pick.
Your.
Poisson.

Nuclear warfare is not going to be our downfall.

How many of these are American versus Chinese and Indians on full paid tuition that just bounce or become spies?

 

[R.Caerbannog]

If you want to break things down Barney-style, then maybe don't start by introducing a second topic that wasn't being addressed in the first place.

Yeah... no. That's the narrative your source is putting down.

Firstly, they shared classified intelligence information with the world, and that is a fact.

Secondly, why are you introducing the idea that I or anyone discussing this here claimed DOGE was using a website as a "repository" for sensitive information beyond its release of a classified information about an intelligence agency?

Why are you conflating a hack by an outside actor with the sharing of classified information on an entire intelligence agency by an appointed government official onto his agency's publicly accessible official government website?

Again, if you read the articles you posted and go through their circle jerk of referenced sources, that's the narrative they're trying to seed. That DOGE is a threat and cannot be trusted to audit the govt, which is bullshit.

How would who the author is change the fact that what they reported about DOGE sharing classified information to the world about an US intelligence agency was true?

Because they're obvious liars. Based on their pedigree, I'd bet cash that they or their affiliated organizations have profited off plundering our tax dollars.

You shouldn't.

I hear that and think most of us fall in that category here by default, if only for the very helpful SS requirement that we cite open source material when making claims.

I mean... I remember certain people here saying the Steele Dossier was real. Same with the justification of all the gender bender BS.

I think you misread my meaning, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt because, based on recent related convos we've had, I don't think you were necessarily aware that folks holding a clearance are considered to be improperly accessing or misusing classified information if they encounter it through unclassified channels, or in this case via a public website, and could lose their clearance eligibility as a result.

So no, that wasn't at all meant as a knock on you. I actually enjoy your thoroughness and level of detail you provide in many discussions you have here. I only added the caveat to discourage current clearance holders from following suit in you possibly following my suggestion to see the facts for yourself on their website.

My bad if I didn't make that clear.

The main things I post here pertain to warfare, govt corruption, and mockery of the half witted traitors selling us out. I've never posted any classified material. I'm an ex-infantry guy with a penchant for belt fed weapons and drones. The thought of me having access to sensitive info is asinine, at best.

As for why I'm clarifying this. Some subhuman, DC connected crony, thought it would be good to tap my comm's and threaten my family. Sooo... let's just say I'm still a teensy bit salty.

 

[Locksteady]

Yeah... no. That's the narrative your source is putting down.


Again, if you read the articles you posted and go through their circle jerk of referenced sources, that's the narrative they're trying to seed. That DOGE is a threat and cannot be trusted to audit the govt, which is bullshit.


Because they're obvious liars. Based on their pedigree, I'd bet cash that they or their affiliated organizations have profited off plundering our tax dollars.


I mean... I remember certain people here saying the Steele Dossier was real. Same with the justification of all the gender bender BS.

Ok, so the website posting classified info about an intelligence agency isn't in dispute.

But you'll have no argument from me on whether or not the folks announcing that fact may have other agendas they want that information to service.

The main things I post here pertain to warfare, govt corruption, and mockery of the half witted traitors selling us out. I've never posted any classified material. I'm an ex-infantry guy with a penchant for belt fed weapons and drones. The thought of me having access to sensitive info is asinine, at best.

I mean... you could change that very quickly now by checking out "Big Balls'" website .

As for why I'm clarifying this. Some subhuman, DC connected crony, thought it would be good to tap my comm's and threaten my family. Sooo... let's just say I'm still a teensy bit salty.

That sucks and I don't blame you a single bit.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

I'm not sure what classified materials you're speaking of being released through DOGE.

However, it would be completely unheard of, if say a ton of sensitive DOD and DOS cables were leaked to the press, then clearance holders accessed those materials through public websites, and were then held accountable... Its not like that doesn't happen semi-frequently.

Rooting for DOGE to fail is like rooting for Saddam Hussein to rise from the dead. We don't need this shit. We do need that money.

To be blunt, I think some people are in on the graft and are afraid of what's going to happen. Too many little fiefdoms have been built at the expense and blood of our citizens.

And to further your point, firing a bunch of probationary employees, who very well might be part of that younger demographic, isn't going to help.

I absolutely have people in my office that shouldn't be in the work force. When someone comes up to me and tells me their monitor hasn't worked in 5 days, and they've had to use another desk, and then I go over there and turn the fucking computer on...we have a problem. There's no ROI there; it's simply a sunk cost.

Another thing to point out is the discovery of sloppily protected sensitive information. They are simply out of their depth in this world and when they stumble upon something they shouldn't have, they aren't going to know any better. This is not the way to assess all that public information that people continually talk about assessing, but never do. I'd bet my last dollar that the compilation of data from this social experiment is going to be a case study.

A general comment I want to make about networks that have been discovered via Shodan, there's a reason why RMF is a thing. Even though it is a thing, doesn't mean that every organization does it well. People should be more worried about the power going out at the grocery store than Russia wanting to conquer Europe. One could happen tomorrow, the other not in my lifetime. Based on Google AI results, the USA graduates 10k-25k cyber professionals every year to China's 185k. Statistically speaking, we aren't even competing. We shouldn't be pushing to "return money to the taxpayers," we should be pushing new initiatives to compete in the cyber domain.

Pick.
Your.
Poisson.

Nuclear warfare is not going to be our downfall.

If these younger employees are rockstars they can apply again. Same with the other deadweight you described. That said, being good at using technology and curated software does not make for a competent individual.

Just wanted to clarify for the board. The DOGE team is not just Elon Musk and a bunch of autistic computer nerds. Their department, funnily enough, was created by Barack Obama and repurposed under the Trump admin. So these guys have the full suite of HR, legal staff, etc, that infest a govt department.

As for cyber... I agree with @ThunderHorse. We need to stem the flow of foreign nationals in our institutions of higher education. Our colleges are addicted to foreign money and have been infested with foreign sympathizers. In some cases for STEM, if you're American you will be sabotaged by foreign nationals studying the same field.

 

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[R.Caerbannog]

Ok, so the website posting classified info about an intelligence agency isn't in dispute.

Apologies for the late reply, had to take nap.

If tax money is going to it, it shouldn't be classified. This bureaucratic game of gotcha is why normies hate DC. From what I'm reading the "classified info" was a headcount to some spook satellite agency. Something that the WH said is not classified.

But you'll have no argument from me on whether or not the folks announcing that fact may have other agendas they want that information to service.

I mean... you could change that very quickly now by checking out "Big Balls'" website .

Mentioned it earlier, but some people don't want to lose their cushy posts.

I don't see any website attributed to that specific employee. Plus I doubt the legal and HR team, at the former United States Digital Security department, would allow that to happen.

That sucks and I don't blame you a single bit.

Found this clip of Javier Mile online. Figured it kinda fit. But yeah... I'm done.

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[R.Caerbannog]

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Autists were doing research on that 4-5 years ago. Turns out the sneakers the pipe bomber wore are from some super expensive brand. Like 3-500 bucks a pair at the time. Cop cars even passed and slowed down by the "bomber" twice; as the bomber walked to DNC headquarters.

They were convinced it was a well heeled liberal staffer.

 

[GOTWA]

If tax money is going to it, it shouldn't be classified. This bureaucratic game of gotcha is why normies hate DC. From what I'm reading the "classified info" was a headcount to some spook satellite agency. Something that the WH said is not classified.

You're way out of your depth here and your lack of experience in this arena shows. Even if the information was CUI, it's still not for public consumption. I know it's difficult, but the public doesn't have a right to know everything.

 

[BlackSmokeRisinG]

Laughing at Argentina's PM. Holy shit, S. American Trump LOL.

 

[AWP]

If tax money is going to it, it shouldn't be classified.

We have our differences, strong at times, but I genuinely think you make some great points at times. This isn't one of them. Are you out of your fucking mind? The dumbest post I've seen on this board was a member stating a sitting Secretary of State should be murdered. You're now in second place.

Do you legit think this or are we missing some context? At face value this take is insane.

 

[R.Caerbannog]

You're way out of your depth here and your lack of experience in this arena shows. Even if the information was CUI, it's still not for public consumption. I know it's difficult, but the public doesn't have a right to know everything.

What... like the rampant pedophilia, al la Epstein, that goes in DC? What about the kickbacks and bribes from foreign and enemy nations? Oh! How much of the bribes and kickbacks from USAID are or were considered to be classified?

Face it dude, the people funding your agency and lifestyle don't trust you. Nor should they. The treasury has been looted by stooges claiming secrecy.

We have our differences, strong at times, but I genuinely think you make some great points at times. This isn't one of them. Are you out of your fucking mind? The dumbest post I've seen on this board was a member stating a sitting Secretary of State should be murdered. You're now in second place.

Do you legit think this or are we missing some context? At face value this take is insane.

Our enemies have a complete roster of every govt agent from the OPM hack and God knows what else. Joe six pack knowing there is some super secret egghead program doing satellite space stuff isn't groundbreaking.

If you wonder why the general public doesn't GAF about govt workers losing their jobs... shit like this is why. The holier than thou attitude, from so called "public servants", is why the public despises the govt and intel community. Do you have any idea how much debt we're in or how fucked up society is when you're not on the govt tit?

Fucks sakes. Secrecy is sometimes required, but after the past few decades of govt workers losing wars, importing enemy shitheads, and running up the govt credit card, we would be stupid to let you guys keep up the same behaviors.

 

[AWP]

What... like the rampant pedophilia, al la Epstein, that goes in DC? What about the kickbacks and bribes from foreign and enemy nations? Oh! How much of the bribes and kickbacks from USAID are or were considered to be classified?

Face it dude, the people funding your agency and lifestyle don't trust you. Nor should they. The treasury has been looted by stooges claiming secrecy.


Our enemies have a complete roster of every govt agent from the OPM hack and God knows what else. Joe six pack knowing there is some super secret egghead program doing satellite space stuff isn't groundbreaking.

If you wonder why the general public doesn't GAF about govt workers losing their jobs... shit like this is why. The holier than thou attitude, from so called "public servants", is why the public despises the govt and intel community. Do you have any idea how much debt we're in or how fucked up society is when you're not on the govt tit?

Fucks sakes. Secrecy is sometimes required, but after the past few decades of govt workers losing wars, importing enemy shitheads, and running up the govt credit card, we would be stupid to let you guys keep up the same behaviors.

 

[Topkick]