The Trump Presidency 2.0

Devildoc said:
I think you are trying to marry a couple things into one. Just because someone is not aborted and born into an impoverished home does not mean that home leads to an unstable childhood. And just because someone has an unstable childhood doesn't necessarily mean they will become a bad apple. And because someone is/was a bad apple, that doesn't necessarily mean they had an unstable childhood.

I am open minded, though. I'll read the data.
Click to expand...
No, I'm not trying to marry anything and I'm not claiming anything about unaborted children. I'm simply saying that a lot of bad apples come from mothers and fathers who should not have had kids. Many of them spent their childhoods in foster homes. There are plenty of examples and studies. I also realize there are positive examples.
 
Topkick said:
No, I'm not trying to marry anything and I'm not claiming anything about unaborted children. I'm simply saying that a lot of bad apples come from mothers and fathers who should not have had kids. Many of them spent their childhoods in foster homes. There are plenty of examples and studies. I also realize there are positive examples.
Click to expand...

OK, thanks for clarifying.

The bolded/italicized I agree.

I am legit curious about the 'n' and I'd love to see the studies/data.

Edited to add, I wonder if we assume the numbers (bad apples) are higher because they make the news, whereas the numbers of successful people from broken families (or people who probably should not have had kids) appear lower because successful people generally don't make the news? Just pontificating aloud....
 
Last edited:
Devildoc said:
OK, thanks for clarifying.

The bolded/italicized I agree.

I am legit curious about the 'n' and I'd love to see the studies/data.
Click to expand...

Just Google "crime and foster care" and AI will give you a start. You'll also see plenty of sites with links to conclusive studies, including the FBI.

I studied this in college, so it's a passion of mine. Forgive me if I came across a little shitty.
 
Topkick said:
This part is debatable. Studies show bad apples often have unstable childhoods. Manson, Ramirez, Eileen Weornos, and the list goes on. I also wonder how many are drug addicts and/ or eating up entitlements in the US?
Click to expand...
I totally get that. My first degree was in Anthropology. So I definitely understand nature vs nurture and the differences in human evolution. I just think that even though we have issues with our own citizens, we should have focused inward. Not that migration is bad, but a lot of nations dumped their problem children here.

Devildoc said:
The data are pretty clear; while the middle class and upper/middle class yammer the loudest about abortion, they are also the fewest to get abortions. The bottom 20% is the highest percentage to have abortions; it follows, also the least likely to have opportunities and income.

But I am not sure there is data to support the bad apple theory as much as the self-perpetuating cycle of entitlements.

The other elephant in the room is that blacks far and away have more abortions than any other race/ethnicity, and we know that Margaret Sanger was a loud and proud racist to pushed abortion onto black women.
Click to expand...
I'll be honest, I still think think the biggest issue is culture. Up until the destruction of the nuclear family and counter cultural revolution, Black American's we're more integrated into society. Now, black culture has devolved into the worst parts of consumerism, excess, and nihilism.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I'll be honest, I still think think the biggest issue is culture. Up until the destruction of the nuclear family and counter cultural revolution, Black American's we're more integrated into society. Now, black culture has devolved into the worst parts of consumerism, excess, and nihilism.
Click to expand...

I agree that is part of it, and that happened to coincide with the Civil Rights Act and other legislation in the '60s which sounded good in theory but really marginalized black Americans.
 
Topkick said:
This part is debatable. Studies show bad apples often have unstable childhoods. Manson, Ramirez, Eileen Weornos, and the list goes on. I also wonder how many are drug addicts and/ or eating up entitlements in the US?
Click to expand...
You think all those immigrant families are stable?
TdA is forcing young girls into the sex industry, you think their parents knew that ahead of time.
 
DA SWO said:
You think all those immigrant families are stable?
TdA is forcing young girls into the sex industry, you think their parents knew that ahead of time.
Click to expand...

No and I'd not even try to make a case against that. I'm fully on board with Trump on immigration. I don't want bad hombres of any nationality.
 
Elon Musk’s DOGE Shares Classified U.S. Intel With Entire World

No Problem GIF by MOODMAN
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Sounds like bullshit. Oh... it is. All based on the testimony of one, "anonymous [sic] employee".
Click to expand...
You don't have to take their word for it, and if you won't be bothered to go and see for yourself, then this discussion is over.

Caveat for clearance holders: For obvious reasons I don't recommend following our community Rabbit down That Hole, but the fact that this is now something you'd all actually need to be concerned about running into on an official public-facing .gov page should be problem enough.

Also in today's latest WTF news:
US nuclear weapons agency hit by layoffs after DOGE exemption denied
 

Similar threads

AWP
Bergdahl 2.0
2
Replies
29
Views
2K
Totentanz
Totentanz
AWP
The Aging Crisis in America
Replies
8
Views
373
Dame
Dame
A
Casino Night and the 75th Rangers
Replies
0
Views
131
ALSE Sarge
A
AWP
HAPPY MONDAY FROM THE BOOK SUPPOSITORY BUILDING!!!!
Replies
13
Views
845
Muppet
Muppet
D
Special Operations and the Impact on Children
Replies
5
Views
268
amlove21
amlove21
Back
Top