The Trump Presidency 2.0

Topkick said:
For the sake of population, I don't like the idea of bringing people into the world under unfavorable conditions. I know the argument that people are willing to adopt, but there are also a lot of foster homes filled with unwanted kids.
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I don't disagree Top, but barring any genetic or birth defects, it's not healthy for the nation to sacrifice it's young.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I don't disagree Top, but barring any genetic or birth defects, it's not healthy for the nation to sacrifice it's young.
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I'll say this, I wasn't unwanted but had a less than dreamy childhood due to divorce. I personally found a home and family in the Army and it turned my life around. It's the biggest reason I stayed and made it a career. But that happens to a small percentage of people.
 
Topkick said:
I see that point, but I'd argue it's not healthy bringing unwanted people into your nation.
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That's the bug in the ointment. Instead of raising and fostering our own people, we've been importing people from 3rd world. Many of these people hate us. Ilhan Omar and the members of the squad are a great example of this. Not only do they not share a cultural connection with us, if things get rough they're not going to stick around and fight.

Quite honestly we would have been better off with our citizens being born than the influx of people from India, SEA, and other parts of the world. England, France, Canada, and Europe, made the mistake of unchecked migration and they're now paying for it. Little girls being stabbed by migrants, rape gangs, and the implementation of Sharia law zones are common occurrences.

Topkick said:
I'll say this, I wasn't unwanted but had a less than dreamy childhood due to divorce. I personally found a home and family in the Army and it turned my life around. It's the biggest reason I stayed and made it a career. But that happens to a small percentage of people.
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I'm glad you found family in the Army Top!
 
The Spartans just threw unsuitable children off a cliff - makes for a great plot point in an action movie - I'm just not sure if its the right technique for western civilization.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
Quite honestly we would have been better off with our citizens being born....
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Topkick said:
This part is debatable. Studies show bad apples often have unstable childhoods. Manson, Ramirez, Eileen Weornos, and the list goes on. I also wonder how many are drug addicts and/ or eating up entitlements in the US?
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The data are pretty clear; while the middle class and upper/middle class yammer the loudest about abortion, they are also the fewest to get abortions. The bottom 20% is the highest percentage to have abortions; it follows, also the least likely to have opportunities and income.

But I am not sure there is data to support the bad apple theory as much as the self-perpetuating cycle of entitlements.

The other elephant in the room is that blacks far and away have more abortions than any other race/ethnicity, and we know that Margaret Sanger was a loud and proud racist to pushed abortion onto black women.
 
Don't get me wrong - I am all about throwing some mother fuckers off a cliff - the question is - who REALLY gets to decide who should and who should NOT be thrown off the cliff - and what is the window for how old someone can be before you can no longer throw them off a cliff...

I'm pretty certain that there are some people out there that could be subjected to a 108th trimester cliff-toss and the world would be a better place without them.
...which flows right into the "why do some folks vote yes on abortions but no the death penalty"

Then suddenly - we are right back to the "who gets to decide" problem - which always seems to be the sticking point.
 
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Topkick said:
Plenty of examples.
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I think you are trying to marry a couple things into one. Just because someone is not aborted and born into an impoverished home does not mean that home leads to an unstable childhood. And just because someone has an unstable childhood doesn't necessarily mean they will become a bad apple. And because someone is/was a bad apple, that doesn't necessarily mean they had an unstable childhood.

I am open minded, though. I'll read the data.
 
Devildoc said:
I think you are trying to marry a couple things into one. Just because someone is not aborted and born into an impoverished home does not mean that home leads to an unstable childhood. And just because someone has an unstable childhood doesn't necessarily mean they will become a bad apple. And because someone is/was a bad apple, that doesn't necessarily mean they had an unstable childhood.

I am open minded, though. I'll read the data.
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No, I'm not trying to marry anything and I'm not claiming anything about unaborted children. I'm simply saying that a lot of bad apples come from mothers and fathers who should not have had kids. Many of them spent their childhoods in foster homes. There are plenty of examples and studies. I also realize there are positive examples.
 
Topkick said:
No, I'm not trying to marry anything and I'm not claiming anything about unaborted children. I'm simply saying that a lot of bad apples come from mothers and fathers who should not have had kids. Many of them spent their childhoods in foster homes. There are plenty of examples and studies. I also realize there are positive examples.
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OK, thanks for clarifying.

The bolded/italicized I agree.

I am legit curious about the 'n' and I'd love to see the studies/data.

Edited to add, I wonder if we assume the numbers (bad apples) are higher because they make the news, whereas the numbers of successful people from broken families (or people who probably should not have had kids) appear lower because successful people generally don't make the news? Just pontificating aloud....
 
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Devildoc said:
OK, thanks for clarifying.

The bolded/italicized I agree.

I am legit curious about the 'n' and I'd love to see the studies/data.
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Just Google "crime and foster care" and AI will give you a start. You'll also see plenty of sites with links to conclusive studies, including the FBI.

I studied this in college, so it's a passion of mine. Forgive me if I came across a little shitty.
 
Topkick said:
This part is debatable. Studies show bad apples often have unstable childhoods. Manson, Ramirez, Eileen Weornos, and the list goes on. I also wonder how many are drug addicts and/ or eating up entitlements in the US?
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I totally get that. My first degree was in Anthropology. So I definitely understand nature vs nurture and the differences in human evolution. I just think that even though we have issues with our own citizens, we should have focused inward. Not that migration is bad, but a lot of nations dumped their problem children here.

Devildoc said:
The data are pretty clear; while the middle class and upper/middle class yammer the loudest about abortion, they are also the fewest to get abortions. The bottom 20% is the highest percentage to have abortions; it follows, also the least likely to have opportunities and income.

But I am not sure there is data to support the bad apple theory as much as the self-perpetuating cycle of entitlements.

The other elephant in the room is that blacks far and away have more abortions than any other race/ethnicity, and we know that Margaret Sanger was a loud and proud racist to pushed abortion onto black women.
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I'll be honest, I still think think the biggest issue is culture. Up until the destruction of the nuclear family and counter cultural revolution, Black American's we're more integrated into society. Now, black culture has devolved into the worst parts of consumerism, excess, and nihilism.
 
R.Caerbannog said:
I'll be honest, I still think think the biggest issue is culture. Up until the destruction of the nuclear family and counter cultural revolution, Black American's we're more integrated into society. Now, black culture has devolved into the worst parts of consumerism, excess, and nihilism.
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I agree that is part of it, and that happened to coincide with the Civil Rights Act and other legislation in the '60s which sounded good in theory but really marginalized black Americans.
 
Topkick said:
This part is debatable. Studies show bad apples often have unstable childhoods. Manson, Ramirez, Eileen Weornos, and the list goes on. I also wonder how many are drug addicts and/ or eating up entitlements in the US?
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You think all those immigrant families are stable?
TdA is forcing young girls into the sex industry, you think their parents knew that ahead of time.
 

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