The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Jaknight]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”

 

[Topkick]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

Cool, we'll have to disagree on this one. I don't trust Putin but going back to the 2014 coup in Ukraine, it's not all on Putin.

 

[Kraut783]

I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”

Agree....he took Crimea and nobody complained...

 

[RackMaster]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

Ukraine was about to kick Russia out of Crimea, which they had a presence since 1783. They kinda had an argument to keep it.

I'm willing to bet Georgia, Ossetia, Chechnya, etc. were all instigated by the USAiD and the CIA. Ironically, under Clinton's rain. Hillary Clinton has had a hard on for Putin for years.

 

[TLDR20]

A little thought exercise, let's look at some "Russian talking points". With the propaganda from both sides put out, it's impossible to see the truth right now.

Given the full fledged house cleaning going on at USAiD and eventually the CIA, I hope the full truth can come out and see their full involvement in the coup and subsequent civil war.

I don't deny that Russia invaded, the reasons they gave could have some truth to them.

Can it be true that during/after Maidan, Ukrainian troops, like the Azov, were planning to or attacking Russian speakers/separatists in the Donbass. Given the major effort since to eliminate anything Russian from Ukrainian society and dehumanize every day Russians. I think it's very likely the ethnic cleansing of Russian speaking Ukrainians in 2014 was in the works.

Crimea is a different situation, the Russians have been there with the Black Sea Fleet since 1783. It's safe to say the majority of the population are ethnically Russian. Which whether or not it justifies it, is Russia's reason for annexation.

Now what if similar operations were used in Georgia/South Ossetia/Abkhaz, Tajikistan Civil War, Chechnya (both times) and Dagestan in between. Almost all during the Clinton year's. It's almost as if all the peace offers after the wall fell were bullshit.

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

 

[RackMaster]

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

The leaked call with Victoria Nuland hand picking the replacement Ukrainian leadership. When Yanukovych was still the duly elected President. McCain having dinner with opposition leaders.

That's only the visible parts. USAiD had been involved in the country for years at that point.

Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

 

[Topkick]

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

Putin has made it very clear that it's a primary reason he invaded. He believes the removal of a pro Russian leader was orchestrated by and a puppet was installed by the US (Biden/ Obama) and believes the US was meddling in his affairs. He's right. Whether we agree that it was the right thing for the US to do can be debated.

 

[Marauder06]

There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.

 

[RackMaster]

There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.

If what is said is true, the NY FBI office was holding the majority of files, they were hiding them and possibly destroying files. It's plausible.
Kash Patel was told to have then at the AG office this morning. So we'll see.

 

[AWP]

There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.

I thought this admin is transparent and promised to release the files along with JFK and RFK.

Promises to:
Tighten down on illegal immigration? Check.
Deport illegals? Check.
Dismantle USAID? Check.
Trim gov. fat and waste? Check.
Pursue peace in the Ukraine? Check.
Release Epstein, JFK, and RFK files? (crickets)

To be fair, Biden had his/ her chance to do the same and did not. JFK and RFK? Every president since the 60's.

Who, or what, is everyone protecting and why?

 

[Marauder06]

I thought this admin is transparent and promised to release the files along with JFK and RFK.

Promises to:
Tighten down on illegal immigration? Check.
Deport illegals? Check.
Dismantle USAID? Check.
Trim gov. fat and waste? Check.
Pursue peace in the Ukraine? Check.
Release Epstein, JFK, and RFK files? (crickets)

To be fair, Biden had his/ her chance to do the same and did not. JFK and RFK? Every president since the 60's.

Who, or what, is everyone protecting and why?

That's exactly what I'm wondering. Those assassinations, and MLK, happened before I was born. Numerous regimes from both parties have held the power to release the info, but chose not to.

I'm thinking that maybe it's because of the organizations involved, not the people. After 50 plus years, surely most of the people who had a direct part or dead, or close to it, right? So maybe it's not about the names of the people, it's the names of the organizations. So who was it? The Mob? The Russians? The CIA? The Israelis? f'in aliens? IDK and IDC, release the info and let the pieces fall where they may.

 

[Topkick]

There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.

This isn't going to help Republicans. They talked big shit to get these jobs and need to follow through. Otherwise, plenty of ammo for the democrats in the next election.

 

[Marauder06]

This isn't going to help Republicans. They talked big shit to get these jobs and need to follow through. Otherwise, plenty of ammo for the democrats in the next election.

I'm beginning to get the sense that they were like "Yeah! Release all of the thingzzzz!" while they were campaigning, and then got into office and saw what was in the files and were like "aw, fuck."

 

[Topkick]

I'm beginning to get the sense that they were like "Yeah! Release all of the thingzzzz!" while they were campaigning, and then got into office and saw what was in the files and were like "aw, fuck."

Or just used them as campaign tactics. Trump already knew these thingzzz.

 

[amlove21]

The leaked call with Victoria Nuland hand picking the replacement Ukrainian leadership. When Yanukovych was still the duly elected President. McCain having dinner with opposition leaders.

That's only the visible parts. USAiD had been involved in the country for years at that point.

Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

The maidan revolution was a CIA-led coup/regime change. The fact that people talk about Ukraine and can’t spell “Maidan” let alone know about it is crazy.

Great post Rack.

 

[AWP]

The maidan revolution was a CIA-led coup/regime change. The fact that people talk about Ukraine and can’t spell “Maidan” let alone know about it is crazy.

Great post Rack.

Regime change? You sure about that? Doesn't sound like our company.
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[Blizzard]

Here's another of my issues/concerns...

Trump is issuing a shit ton of executive orders. That's OK for expediency *provided* it's followed up with actual legislation.

Rule by EO needs to end; it's been going on with too many presidents for WAY too long. Republicans control Congress. There's no reason this needs to continue. They have 2+ years. Legislation must follow.

 

[amlove21]

Here's another of my issues/concerns...

Trump is issuing a shit ton of executive orders. That's OK for expediency *provided* it's followed up with actual legislation.

Rule by EO needs to end; it's been going on with too many presidents for WAY too long. Republicans control Congress. There's no reason this needs to continue. They have 2+ years. Legislation must follow.

First off, agree. EO's are not what the constitution prescribes for law, and over he last 20 years, presidents have used WAY too many EO's as opposed to engaging in our checks and balances. Trump is inviting legal challenges (tens at this point, probably hundreds soon) to EO's. Trump is focusing on 80/20 issues with these EO's, and I have a feeling the SC just can't wait to weigh in on some of them, they just need the case presented.

Drop the EO, inflame your opponent, opponent sues, goes before the legislature, legislation follows. He won't win all of them, but the majority he'll get into legislation because, again, 80/20 issues. Lower courts have infinitesimally small legal authority to stop the federal government- unless you're the 9th district or have an NY zip code. Many times, these judges don't even have the basic legal standing (you need a person harmed by the ruling to even file, 9 times out of 10 they don't even have that, they just say "this could hurt people".) That's not legal standing, and you don't even need the conspiracy theory of who funded the judges and who appointed them- it's just the law.

Justice Roberts is getting very tired of federal judges in Dem districts bringing these cases; this has always been the plan for two reasons- one, highlight which districts are actively flouting the constitution and their authority by defying the lawful orders of the executive and 2, force a legal battle where the SC rules and codifies legislation. The Supreme Court just ruled in Trump's favor on a lower court ordering the president to pay out $2B in USAID funding. #4dchess.

I haven't gotten to use this in a while, but if you're upset at the ridiculous amount of power taken from the legislative branch and housed in the executive... Thanks, Obama. A phone and a pen, indeed.

BL, get back to checks and balances. Make legislation not EO's that only last as long as "your side" is in power.

 

[AWP]

Trump is inviting legal challenges (tens at this point, probably hundreds soon) to EO's.

Nerd point for you because...me.

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Litigation Tracker: Legal Challenges to Trump Administration Actions

 

[amlove21]

Nerd point for you because...me.

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Litigation Tracker: Legal Challenges to Trump Administration Actions

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