The Trump Presidency 2.0

[Topkick]

Russia/Putin is anything other than an imperialistic aggressor that invaded it's neighbor is more than intellectually dishonest -- it's flat-out denial of reality.

True but I think Biden gave Putin permission when he said a "minor incursion" was basically OK. Now here we are.

 

[Blizzard]

I can't think of a president in my lifetime with impeccable integrity.

That's because there are none.

To @Marauder06's previous point, I don't necessarily need them to be impeccable either, but at least act like we have a moral compass. We don't have a problem calling out the UK on their free speech bullshit. So, why is this so difficult?

That said, we can all probably agree there's a significant difference between completely disregarding reality while reiterating a false narrative from one of the bad actors vs. simply taking a position that it's in everyone's interest to end the war. It's kind of akin to kids fighting, "I don't care who started it, it ends now."

 

[Topkick]

It's kind of akin to kids fighting, "I don't care who started it, it ends now."

The last administration wanted this war. I don't believe Putin would've invaded if they didn't provoke it. It's just my opinion.

 

[AWP]

Turned out it was a Mossad operation?

 

[Blizzard]

The last administration wanted this war. I don't believe Putin would've invaded if they didn't provoke it. It's just my opinion.

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

 

[Jaknight]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”

 

[Topkick]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

Cool, we'll have to disagree on this one. I don't trust Putin but going back to the 2014 coup in Ukraine, it's not all on Putin.

 

[Kraut783]

I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”

Agree....he took Crimea and nobody complained...

 

[RackMaster]

Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,

Ukraine was about to kick Russia out of Crimea, which they had a presence since 1783. They kinda had an argument to keep it.

I'm willing to bet Georgia, Ossetia, Chechnya, etc. were all instigated by the USAiD and the CIA. Ironically, under Clinton's rain. Hillary Clinton has had a hard on for Putin for years.

 

[TLDR20]

A little thought exercise, let's look at some "Russian talking points". With the propaganda from both sides put out, it's impossible to see the truth right now.

Given the full fledged house cleaning going on at USAiD and eventually the CIA, I hope the full truth can come out and see their full involvement in the coup and subsequent civil war.

I don't deny that Russia invaded, the reasons they gave could have some truth to them.

Can it be true that during/after Maidan, Ukrainian troops, like the Azov, were planning to or attacking Russian speakers/separatists in the Donbass. Given the major effort since to eliminate anything Russian from Ukrainian society and dehumanize every day Russians. I think it's very likely the ethnic cleansing of Russian speaking Ukrainians in 2014 was in the works.

Crimea is a different situation, the Russians have been there with the Black Sea Fleet since 1783. It's safe to say the majority of the population are ethnically Russian. Which whether or not it justifies it, is Russia's reason for annexation.

Now what if similar operations were used in Georgia/South Ossetia/Abkhaz, Tajikistan Civil War, Chechnya (both times) and Dagestan in between. Almost all during the Clinton year's. It's almost as if all the peace offers after the wall fell were bullshit.

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

 

[RackMaster]

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

The leaked call with Victoria Nuland hand picking the replacement Ukrainian leadership. When Yanukovych was still the duly elected President. McCain having dinner with opposition leaders.

That's only the visible parts. USAiD had been involved in the country for years at that point.

Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

 

[Topkick]

Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?

Putin has made it very clear that it's a primary reason he invaded. He believes the removal of a pro Russian leader was orchestrated by and a puppet was installed by the US (Biden/ Obama) and believes the US was meddling in his affairs. He's right. Whether we agree that it was the right thing for the US to do can be debated.

 

[Marauder06]

There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.