The Trump Presidency 2.0

Topkick said:
I can't think of a president in my lifetime with impeccable integrity.
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That's because there are none.

To @Marauder06's previous point, I don't necessarily need them to be impeccable either, but at least act like we have a moral compass. We don't have a problem calling out the UK on their free speech bullshit. So, why is this so difficult?

That said, we can all probably agree there's a significant difference between completely disregarding reality while reiterating a false narrative from one of the bad actors vs. simply taking a position that it's in everyone's interest to end the war. It's kind of akin to kids fighting, "I don't care who started it, it ends now."
 
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Blizzard said:
Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,
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I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”
 
Jaknight said:
I think Putin saw the perfect moment to strike—the West was still reeling from COVID, the chaos of the 2020 election, and everything felt unstable. Meanwhile, Ukraine was already cozying up to her new boyfriend, and before she could get a NATO ring on it, he decided it was the right time for a “special operation.”
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Agree....he took Crimea and nobody complained...
 
Blizzard said:
Non-concur. I'm not a fan of the last administration in any way, shape, or form, but this was all Putin. Evidence? Georgia and Crimea,
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Ukraine was about to kick Russia out of Crimea, which they had a presence since 1783. They kinda had an argument to keep it.

I'm willing to bet Georgia, Ossetia, Chechnya, etc. were all instigated by the USAiD and the CIA. Ironically, under Clinton's rain. Hillary Clinton has had a hard on for Putin for years.
 
RackMaster said:
A little thought exercise, let's look at some "Russian talking points". With the propaganda from both sides put out, it's impossible to see the truth right now.

Given the full fledged house cleaning going on at USAiD and eventually the CIA, I hope the full truth can come out and see their full involvement in the coup and subsequent civil war.

I don't deny that Russia invaded, the reasons they gave could have some truth to them.

Can it be true that during/after Maidan, Ukrainian troops, like the Azov, were planning to or attacking Russian speakers/separatists in the Donbass. Given the major effort since to eliminate anything Russian from Ukrainian society and dehumanize every day Russians. I think it's very likely the ethnic cleansing of Russian speaking Ukrainians in 2014 was in the works.

Crimea is a different situation, the Russians have been there with the Black Sea Fleet since 1783. It's safe to say the majority of the population are ethnically Russian. Which whether or not it justifies it, is Russia's reason for annexation.

Now what if similar operations were used in Georgia/South Ossetia/Abkhaz, Tajikistan Civil War, Chechnya (both times) and Dagestan in between. Almost all during the Clinton year's. It's almost as if all the peace offers after the wall fell were bullshit.
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Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?
 
TLDR20 said:
Bro what?

Can yall explain the coup as you understand it?
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Putin has made it very clear that it's a primary reason he invaded. He believes the removal of a pro Russian leader was orchestrated by and a puppet was installed by the US (Biden/ Obama) and believes the US was meddling in his affairs. He's right. Whether we agree that it was the right thing for the US to do can be debated.
 
Marauder06 said:
There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.
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If what is said is true, the NY FBI office was holding the majority of files, they were hiding them and possibly destroying files. It's plausible.
Kash Patel was told to have then at the AG office this morning. So we'll see.
 
Marauder06 said:
There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.
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I thought this admin is transparent and promised to release the files along with JFK and RFK.

Promises to:
Tighten down on illegal immigration? Check.
Deport illegals? Check.
Dismantle USAID? Check.
Trim gov. fat and waste? Check.
Pursue peace in the Ukraine? Check.
Release Epstein, JFK, and RFK files? (crickets)

To be fair, Biden had his/ her chance to do the same and did not. JFK and RFK? Every president since the 60's.

Who, or what, is everyone protecting and why?
 
AWP said:
I thought this admin is transparent and promised to release the files along with JFK and RFK.

Promises to:
Tighten down on illegal immigration? Check.
Deport illegals? Check.
Dismantle USAID? Check.
Trim gov. fat and waste? Check.
Pursue peace in the Ukraine? Check.
Release Epstein, JFK, and RFK files? (crickets)

To be fair, Biden had his/ her chance to do the same and did not. JFK and RFK? Every president since the 60's.

Who, or what, is everyone protecting and why?
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That's exactly what I'm wondering. Those assassinations, and MLK, happened before I was born. Numerous regimes from both parties have held the power to release the info, but chose not to.

I'm thinking that maybe it's because of the organizations involved, not the people. After 50 plus years, surely most of the people who had a direct part or dead, or close to it, right? So maybe it's not about the names of the people, it's the names of the organizations. So who was it? The Mob? The Russians? The CIA? The Israelis? f'in aliens? IDK and IDC, release the info and let the pieces fall where they may.
 
Marauder06 said:
There must be some pretty massive “mutual assured destruction” stuff in the Epstein files for the Rs to hold onto that stuff as strongly as the Ds did.
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This isn't going to help Republicans. They talked big shit to get these jobs and need to follow through. Otherwise, plenty of ammo for the democrats in the next election.
 
Topkick said:
This isn't going to help Republicans. They talked big shit to get these jobs and need to follow through. Otherwise, plenty of ammo for the democrats in the next election.
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I'm beginning to get the sense that they were like "Yeah! Release all of the thingzzzz!" while they were campaigning, and then got into office and saw what was in the files and were like "aw, fuck."
 
RackMaster said:
The leaked call with Victoria Nuland hand picking the replacement Ukrainian leadership. When Yanukovych was still the duly elected President. McCain having dinner with opposition leaders.

That's only the visible parts. USAiD had been involved in the country for years at that point.

Ukraine crisis: Leaked phone call embarrasses US

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy
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The maidan revolution was a CIA-led coup/regime change. The fact that people talk about Ukraine and can’t spell “Maidan” let alone know about it is crazy.

Great post Rack.
 

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