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Two U.S. Navy boats with 10 sailors on board taken into Iranian custody
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Thought for a second you meant the dude in white socks...
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Yet another report I probably don't want to read.
Congressman: Details of Iran's kidnapping of U.S. sailors will shock
Congressman: Details of Iran's kidnapping of U.S. sailors will shock
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"Second, the chain of command was not well defined on the two boats. While a young lieutenant was the highest-ranking individual on either of the two 50-foot boats, when the order was given to evade the Iranian forces, the helmsman refused the order."
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He was probably the guy in the white socks."Second, the chain of command was not well defined on the two boats. While a young lieutenant was the highest-ranking individual on either of the two 50-foot boats, when the order was given to evade the Iranian forces, the helmsman refused the order."
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"Second, the chain of command was not well defined on the two boats. While a young lieutenant was the highest-ranking individual on either of the two 50-foot boats, when the order was given to evade the Iranian forces, the helmsman refused the order."
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I read this and immediately thought someone saw Crimson Tide too many times and sided with the Denzel Washington character.
Maybe the helmsman thought it was a movie?
LT: Hey asshole. Those are Iranians. Ain't no Chriss Angel Mindfreak David Blaine Trapdoor shit jumping off here
Helmsman: LT, you wanna get in line or do you want blow another take.
LT: Ain't no takes. Ain't no goddamn motion picture.
Helmsman: Are you sure?
LT: Hey asshole. Those are Iranians. Ain't no Chriss Angel Mindfreak David Blaine Trapdoor shit jumping off here
Helmsman: LT, you wanna get in line or do you want blow another take.
LT: Ain't no takes. Ain't no goddamn motion picture.
Helmsman: Are you sure?
I think you are correct.
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Inside the Bungled Mission That Allowed Iran to Detain US Sailors
Iran’s detention of 10 U.S. sailors in January was preventable and resulted from bad leadership, poor training, bad planning and little oversight of the sailors during their deployment, the Navy has determined in a report unveiled today.
Boy, Navy is not letting this go. I guess a black eye will do that to you...especially since every story is accompanied by this pic:
Iran’s detention of 10 U.S. sailors in January was preventable and resulted from bad leadership, poor training, bad planning and little oversight of the sailors during their deployment, the Navy has determined in a report unveiled today.
Boy, Navy is not letting this go. I guess a black eye will do that to you...especially since every story is accompanied by this pic:
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WTF is the guy lower left doing???
Looks like he was getting ready to for a promotion board to me.
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Ya know, I really looked at that picture for a minute. Compared the look on his face to everyone else. Forget the silly Navy jokes I was going to make. I'd like to believe that this guy was covering his head in disbelief and thinking:
"You have GOT to be FUCKING kidding me! I'm 90 days and a wake up to being fucking civilian again and now my ass is about to be made famous because Lt. White-Sox over there decided to stop and ask for directions instead of making a bead back to base! I told that mother fucker we were off course, I FUCKING TOLD HIM! ...I swear to Christ above...if I get out of this alive, I am going to track that mother fucker down and put 10-times the hurt on him that these bastards put on me. fuck...Fuck...FUCK!"
That's what I'd like to believe he is thinking...
Either that or..."I am SO fucked if they make us take our boots off!"
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Except Lt JG White sox told the helmsman to evade, and he refused; so he is probably thinking either the Iranians or the Navy are gonna butt-fuck me (I should have eaten popcorn last night).
The funny thing is, this is EXACTLY the type of mindset the Navy fosters. This is the same US Navy that, despite having an SOP in place and a valid reason to engage, let the USS Cole get blown up. The Navy loves to spout bullshit about "Surface Warriors". That's a bigger crock of shit than "Army of One". The warriors, outside of NSW, are few and far between. And they're fewer and farther between the higher up in rank you go. This will continue to happen every few years or so until the Navy pulls its collective head out of its ass and starts training people to react with violence when needed.
Anecdote: I was on a NCVBSS (non-compliant visit, board, search, seizure) team. We did 3 weeks of training out in Moyock with a group of former SOF guys. At the FTX, some senior NCOs and Os from the Fleet were there to observe. We, and the cadre, were chastised afterwards for being "too aggressive".
This is the culture in the Navy. It's unbelievable that they're attempting to blame this all on the team, when Big Navy trained them to respond in exactly this manner.
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The surface Navy is all about big tech-missiles-automatically tracking/targeting guns. They cannot fathom that a failure in their gazillion dollar war machine that carries 10 times the fire power that destroyed Hiroshima can be doomed by a couple E1s.
On a float I observed a couple very senior Navy officers (Captains) conferring with a couple senior Marine officers (Maj/LtCol if I recall); the Marines essentially said, "you get us to the destination, we'll worry about the killing." You are right, it's a fucked up mindset and culture.
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<UPDATE>
Navy Lt Who Apologized To Iran After 2016 Capture Gets To Keep His Job
The Navy officer who apologized to Iran after the crew of the riverine boats he was in command of were captured in January 2016, will be allowed to remain in the service after a separation board in Imperial Beach, California, ruled in his favor on April 18, according to Navy Times.
After all this; especially as an officer, why would you want to stay in? (serious question)
To add - assuming the bolded area below cannot be a good thing and will certainly hinder any continued career opportunities?
<From Navy Times article>
But just what Nartker’s future in the Navy will be remains to be seen. A 2011 Naval Academy graduate, he’s been on active duty for just under six years.
As a surface warfare officer, Nartker now faces an uphill battle in that community and in the Navy. As part of Nartker's punishment at admiral’s mast, Morneau also took away the 28-year-old officer’s surface warfare qualification and pin, too.
Navy Lt Who Apologized To Iran After 2016 Capture Gets To Keep His Job
The Navy officer who apologized to Iran after the crew of the riverine boats he was in command of were captured in January 2016, will be allowed to remain in the service after a separation board in Imperial Beach, California, ruled in his favor on April 18, according to Navy Times.
After all this; especially as an officer, why would you want to stay in? (serious question)
To add - assuming the bolded area below cannot be a good thing and will certainly hinder any continued career opportunities?
<From Navy Times article>
But just what Nartker’s future in the Navy will be remains to be seen. A 2011 Naval Academy graduate, he’s been on active duty for just under six years.
As a surface warfare officer, Nartker now faces an uphill battle in that community and in the Navy. As part of Nartker's punishment at admiral’s mast, Morneau also took away the 28-year-old officer’s surface warfare qualification and pin, too.
Damn they took away his SWO pin! I think he just wants to finish his time and get out with an honorable discharge instead of being stuck with a general discharge after being administratively separated. He has no future in the Navy after all this. The Navy is not a service that tolerates mistakes. Nowadays anyway; Admiral Nimitz ran a ship aground as a Captain before WWII.
