United States & Gun Control discussion.

For someone who was born a dude but really believes they're a chick- absent a true mental health diagnosis- how TF are we saying they can't buy a gun, again? Where in the 2nd does it say "unless you take this medicine or hold this belief"? It's only 27 words long, maybe I missed it.

Trump’s DOJ considering banning trans people from buying guns

Even with a mental health diagnosis you can still own a firearm. IIRC, the only limitations is if you've been found mentally incompetent by a court or involuntarily committed to an institution.

What's next? Can't buy a firearm if you've got depression or PTSD?
 
Even with a mental health diagnosis you can still own a firearm. IIRC, the only limitations is if you've been found mentally incompetent by a court or involuntarily committed to an institution.

What's next? Can't buy a firearm if you've got depression or PTSD?
It's a pretty slippery slope, isn't it?!

My guess is this is a nothing burger, but maybe a story created to get certain people to freak out.
 
It's a pretty slippery slope, isn't it?!

My guess is this is a nothing burger, but maybe a story created to get certain people to freak out.
It's 100% part and parcel with this admin- they're going to get the left to defend 2A for the lulz.

Even with a mental health diagnosis you can still own a firearm. IIRC, the only limitations is if you've been found mentally incompetent by a court or involuntarily committed to an institution.

What's next? Can't buy a firearm if you've got depression or PTSD?

Exactly correct. I have a service-limiting condition/medically retired for PTSD. Sooooooo...???

The other thing at play here is a bit more culturally/politically oriented and something I have evolved on over recent history.

The hand-wringing refrain is always "be careful, setting a precedent they can use against you in the future." I get it, now let me tell you how that's retarded.

They (marxist ideologues on the left) are going to do it whether you set the precedent or not, the only thing that matters is who gets there first. Given the authority, the left will 100% take your 2A rights, citing any mass shooting and emotional event they want. They'll pass legislation to put you on a list via your credit card for purchasing guns. They'll weaponize the ATF to show up at your house (and probably shoot your dog) to "just have a conversation" about some piece of equipment they unilaterally deem "unlawful" for you to have.

This applies broadly, to everything. Gay rights? The right just wanted to be left alone. Wanna get married? Fine. Don't wanna set a weird precedent!... then the Supreme Court concocts some BS out of whole cloth and makes national law from the bench. And now LGBTQ are protected classes of people, and making memes about them gets you jail time evereywhere without an armed population. Weaponizing the DOJ? GASP! We can't be a banana republic where we prosecute politicians... here, says the left- catch these felonies and let's get an armed tactical team to raid your house on trumped up (see what I did there) charges for the sole purpose of keeping you out of the election.

To think that the left won't do this when they're in power is being purposefully obtuse to history and the actions of the left forever. They don't care about principle, they don't care about precedent, they care about power. That's it.

So the little ethical dilemma is thus- do you support the right in weidling power in the same way, or do you adhere to "muh principles" while the alligator eats you from the feet up?

Remember in the Matrix where Cypher didn't want to see the real world anymore, and was willing to betray humanity to go back in, knowing nothing of what the world was anymore? I think about that a lot.
 
Even with a mental health diagnosis you can still own a firearm. IIRC, the only limitations is if you've been found mentally incompetent by a court or involuntarily committed to an institution.

What's next? Can't buy a firearm if you've got depression or PTSD?
It's a possibility up here, it's what the anti's want. I had to basically beg for my license renewal, with a clinicians supporting letter.
 
To think that the left won't do this when they're in power is being purposefully obtuse to history and the actions of the left forever. They don't care about principle, they don't care about precedent, they care about power. That's it.

So the little ethical dilemma is thus- do you support the right in weidling power in the same way, or do you adhere to "muh principles" while the alligator eats you from the feet up?

I don't think either political wing has a monopoly on seizing power; they just get periods over prolonged time in the driver's seat.

I think your ethical dilemma does highlight the increasing volatility with how this works though. The "principles" only work if both sides play (mostly) within them.

Everybody expects the ruling party to put their thumb on the scale when it's an issue they care about; what about when they chuck out the whole scale?
Either the next party comes in and attempts to return to status quo, or they play they same way.

If they completely toss out the idea of "principles", we wind up with a Reichstag Fire Decree or Great Purge.

I dont think either party should be able to rule be edict, because at that point we'll no longer have a representative democracy.
 
I gleefully accept the mantel of Hypocritical-Whataboutist.

This is ok.

In fact - in June of 2022, Biden's autopen machine was used to ink the Safer Communities Act.
AKA - brow beating states using the bribery of federal funds (or loss of federal funding) to require that your state enacted and enforced "red flag laws"

Besides, the left has already made it clear that my right wing ideals are rooted in mental illness.
...so, based on the SAME legislation that the left has already passed, until you acknowledge your genitalia - no guns for you.
 
I would consider someone who has the organs of something assigned at birth who then believes they are something else as medically incompetent...but the real question is who programmed those thoughts?
 
This does open a door to a very slippery slope. For the record, I am against this. However also for the record, the Left created it's own monsters that no one wants to talk about. The brazen attacks that are politically motivated is just something that should never be encouraged. If we say what Timothy McVeigh had done was wrong and heinous despite being angry at what they had done at Waco and Ruby Ridge, then so does the Left needing to admit openly that their side attacking and shooting people at schools is also equally just as heinous and wrong. I know that there's a ton more that they have done as well, but I am making a point here that this nastiness has to be stopped and met in the middle to deescalate both sides. No common ground, then there's where we need to begin the purge or black label.
 
This latest terrorism attack has made up my mind, I am now all for removing 2A rights from people taking differences in politics a bit too far and wanting to murder instead.
 
Michigan man charged after fatally shooting teen who broke into garage

This will be interesting to follow. But how about you don't break into peoples homes?
Dude has no idea who/what was in his garage. He’s the type that make life more difficult for responsible gun owners.

Knapton, 24, got an alert from his home security system, grabbed a .9mm gun, ran outside and fired two shots into the garage through a windowless door, striking Wilson, according to prosecutors and cops.”
 
His garage had been repeatedly broken into, it wasn't a raccoon.

ETA: So I can firmly understand your position, if it was inside his home but he shot through his bedroom door how would you react?
 
Dude has no idea who/what was in his garage. He’s the type that make life more difficult for responsible gun owners.

Knapton, 24, got an alert from his home security system, grabbed a .9mm gun, ran outside and fired two shots into the garage through a windowless door, striking Wilson, according to prosecutors and cops.”

I don't like the blind firing into the garage through a door. That's dumb.

The most egregious part to me is firing at them on the street. That's not your property anymore, and they are clearly no longer a threat.

Homeowner is in trouble. Stupid games and all that...
 
Rules #2 and #4 were broken. He made a bad shoot.

My issue now is the fact that they put a very misleading "innocent kid" picture up, of the thief playing football as IF stealing was a "harmless and victimless" crime. Trespassing is still trespassing and even a garage to me is still the sanctity of my home that should never be violated no matter what, meaning your life no matter the color had no longer mattered....but I'll go confront in person and then decide if my life was in actual danger or to hold the punk at gunpoint and call it in on 911 and wait for the sheriff's office to handle it.

These criminals aren't harmless good boys regardless of age. We need to stop playing that erroneously false narrative to sway public opinion. And being "17" is still aware of his own bad decisions being made. He made his life not matter all on his own. Sooner or later that's the life they live and die for, unfortunately his killer sped that process up.
 
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