Washington Navy Yard shooting: Active shooter sought in D.C.
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No problem! I was watching it when you posted. Lots of red flags with this guy..very very sad..
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RIP to the fallen. Prayers out to all affected by their loss.
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A sleep disorder is a mental health issue? That ranges from sleep apnea to night terrors. Maybe the guy has a legit sleep-related psychological issue, but placing a sleep disorder and hearing voices next to each other without any qualifiers is crap.
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RetPara
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That may be just some of the generalized symptoms. The guy does not really sound stable anyway.
comrade-z
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Adding to what Retpara said.....disturbed sleep can be, along with other issues, a symptom of underlying mental health issues/chemical imbalances. Sleep disorders are also (somewhat) commonly found to be comorbid but separate to a host of mental health disorders/syndromes/etc.
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Snoring is considered a sleeping disorder....would that mean anyone who snores has an underlining mental illness?
Painting with broad strokes, like you just did, is irresponsible, especially on a military forum and when a good majority of service members suffer from sleeping disorders.
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There is a measure of truth in what you are saying. I expect that the point here is mentioning, the "sleep disorder", is akin to having the bodyshop describing a car as being a total loss; and the spare tire needs a little air
.There is a measure of truth in what you are saying. I expect that the point here is mentioning, the "sleep disorder", is akin to having the bodyshop describing a car as being a total loss; and the spare tire needs a little air
Or as I tried to explain in my original post, "wrecked" means a lot of things. Is the bumper bent, a door caved in, did it flip 3 times and catch on fire...Then to add it to a list containing some obvious "NS Sherlock" symptoms of mental illness is just irresponsible. Add some qualifiers or don't print it.
comrade-z
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I realize my mistake in not specifying that what I said does not pertain to all sleep disorders, or all mental health issues - I apologize for the misunderstanding. As Jab pointed out, snoring is an example of one of many sleep disorders that, in all likelihood doesn't really apply here. To put what I meant another way, sleep is very closely related to our mental health - sleep deprivation can cause impairment in our ability to function, to potentially extreme levels if not dealt with.
One example that is less relevant in the case of the Naval Yard shooter, but still shows a strong link between sleep disturbances and mental issues is with ADHD. There is a decent amount of research linking the two - while it might seem obvious, the point of the matter is that a lack of sleep can create A.D.D. (no H) like symptoms, and that a psychiatric issue such as A.D.H.D. might be the underlying cause for the difficulty sleeping.
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/708287_6 - one article of many about this particular connection between sleep disturbances and psychiatric issues.
An article about more general issues of comorbidity of certain sleep disorders and psychiatric issues - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19420207
"Current data demonstrate a high rate of comorbidity between sleep disorders and various psychiatric illnesses, especially mood and anxiety disorders."
As far as my personal expertise, I have no formal training. However several members of my family are medical doctors and there are several members in my family with sleep disorders, so the topic (as well as a deluge of research articles from my father) comes up regularly. Having had sleep issues in the past myself, I have also had the chance to ask other doctors and sleep specialists about said articles and had information verified.
As an aside, when I say "issues", I mean anything from benign symptoms that honestly are hard to consider a "disorder", up to actual medical disorders.
Once again, I apologize for the misunderstanding - I am known for being sometimes rather eloquent, and other times coming up with a terribly useless mishmash of words.
One example that is less relevant in the case of the Naval Yard shooter, but still shows a strong link between sleep disturbances and mental issues is with ADHD. There is a decent amount of research linking the two - while it might seem obvious, the point of the matter is that a lack of sleep can create A.D.D. (no H) like symptoms, and that a psychiatric issue such as A.D.H.D. might be the underlying cause for the difficulty sleeping.
http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/708287_6 - one article of many about this particular connection between sleep disturbances and psychiatric issues.
An article about more general issues of comorbidity of certain sleep disorders and psychiatric issues - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19420207
"Current data demonstrate a high rate of comorbidity between sleep disorders and various psychiatric illnesses, especially mood and anxiety disorders."
As far as my personal expertise, I have no formal training. However several members of my family are medical doctors and there are several members in my family with sleep disorders, so the topic (as well as a deluge of research articles from my father) comes up regularly. Having had sleep issues in the past myself, I have also had the chance to ask other doctors and sleep specialists about said articles and had information verified.
As an aside, when I say "issues", I mean anything from benign symptoms that honestly are hard to consider a "disorder", up to actual medical disorders.
Once again, I apologize for the misunderstanding - I am known for being sometimes rather eloquent, and other times coming up with a terribly useless mishmash of words.
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Manic depressive people have sleep issues, and are known to hear voices.
But again, how was this guy hired in this capacity with all of the red flags attached to him?
But again, how was this guy hired in this capacity with all of the red flags attached to him?
@comrade-z what makes you qualified to make any of those assumptions? I have a sleep disorder and a history of mental health problems; does that make me a potential psychopath? There are so many variables that would drive someone to do such acts and not getting a good night sleep is not the smoking gun.
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This statement is somewhat akin to saying that all cars have wheels, therefore anything with wheels is a car.
There has been debate in the psychological literature about the pathological nature of hearing voices. An argument has been made that in and of itself, hearing voices is not diagnostic of mental illness at all.
While people who suffer from bipolar disorder may indeed hear voices, that symptom is not a diagnostic criterion of BPD. It may be superimposed on the BPD, but auditory hallucination is most commonly associated with schizophrenia and related disorders, for which it is a diagnostic feature.
I have sleep apnea and the occasional night terror... you guys better watch out, I might go on a ban-binge or something. :-"
I just finished my company's Violence in the Workplace CBT. While you're probably aware of them, I'll sum up warning flags for someone about to get their office kill on:
Angry or emotional outbursts
Carrying a grudge
Serious disagreement with those in authority
Mood swings
Depression
Wanting to be "left alone"
One of the examples was guy storming out of a meeting and throwing his clipboard down in his cubicle while expressing his disgust with a policy or procedure. "This is stupid" or something to that effect.
I'm not looking for a show of hands, but think about how many of us meet two or more of those criteria (those are what I remember out of 8-10). I don't wish to hijack the thread any further, but fresh off my hour-long CBT the "sleep disorder" caught my eye.
I don't think "Rotating his/her head 360°" would be included in Freefalling's CBT.
No, but I'm smart enough to know that "signal flow" isn't what happens to a woman every 4 weeks.
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