Ways to mitigate DUIs at the company level

dirtmover

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Over this past 4 day weekend we had two DUIs and in the past month we have had a total of 4. Right now the company is in damage control mode. I am open to ideas on options that I can bring up to the chain of command. I have given my number to the entire company. I very rarely drink there for I feel that I am a viable choice to be available to give SMs a ride home.

I have no patience for drunk driving and personally experienced it almost rip my community apart.

So my CO is looking for ways to mitigate DUIs and an incentive program for those who do the right thing.
 
How is the example being set inside the company? Is there a culture that encourages heavy drinking and other risky behavior? How involved are the NCOs in the lives of the Soldiers?
 
Cback I said the same thing in or 0430 meeting today.

Well 2 of the DUIs were NCOs. I don't see any glamorisation of a alcohol. To me it seems like we have no cohesion in the company...all it is work work work. Very rarely do I hear of platoons doing anything together outside of work. Majority of the NCOs where joes and came up through the ranks in this company. Nobody is afraid of UCMJ and care even less about counselings.
 
Based on what you said above, it seems your problem is a poor command climate exacerbated by NCOs who are phoning it in (present company excluded, of course).

Agreed.

Vast majority of problems start at the top and work down through low moral etc... Sounds like this is the case here.
 
Problems rise and fall on leadership. If the officers aren't willing to deal with NCO's, and/ or the NCO's are unwilling to deal their soldiers, then any changes made will fail. You can't stop the one-off cases, but when you start seeing what you described? I couldn't attribute it to anything but a failure of leadership.
 
Over this past 4 day weekend we had two DUIs and in the past month we have had a total of 4. Right now the company is in damage control mode. I am open to ideas on options that I can bring up to the chain of command. I have given my number to the entire company. I very rarely drink there for I feel that I am a viable choice to be available to give SMs a ride home.

I have no patience for drunk driving and personally experienced it almost rip my community apart.

So my CO is looking for ways to mitigate DUIs and an incentive program for those who do the right thing.
An incentive program for not getting a DUI/ARI? What's next, prizes for people who don't commit sexual assault?
As has been said already, it's a break down in leadership. The first time you ignore a problem and allow it to continue, you've set the precedent.
 
I know, I know, I Know. I thought that was udder ludicrous but alas it came out of the mouth of babes, or in my case the CO. My idea was to make the offenders lives extra miserable, but that just got me dirty looks. When a soldier doesn't want to come ask for anything from you as an NCO you need to check yourself. Soldiers don't trust the leaders to take care of their issues.
 
alas it came out of the mouth of babes, or in my case the CO.


I'm about to lose my mind at this statement. I'm not surprised, but taht's...insane. Positive reinforcement has a place, but not in this case and not with this topic. FFS, we'e talking about actions that can kill people.

My idea was to make the offenders lives extra miserable, but that just got me dirty looks. When a soldier doesn't want to come ask for anything from you as an NCO you need to check yourself. Soldiers don't trust the leaders to take care of their issues.

Bingo.

I'm currently reading about the British Army in WWI. I need to go back and cover the relevant passages, but the author cited a clear decline in trust between the common soldier and his leadership, starting about 1916. I'll dig that up tonight and re-read it.
 
Free could you let me know the name of the book. It might help me get through to them about this asinine BS.

The First Day on the Somme by Martin Middlebrook. The relevant passage is below, though the author hasn't yet (as far as I've read) tied this in with combat effectiveness.

The British soldier had gone to war full of patriotism and enthusiasm. He had been led to believe that the German was a barbarian who had trampled over half of Europe, raped women, murdered babies and committed every possible atrocity. He believed, also, that Britain had the most capable generals and the government and people at home were solidly behind him. To many it was more like a crusade than a political war. But after his arrival at the front the soldier’s feelings changed. Although he didn’t see many Germans he came to realize that his opponent was an honest fighter, a patriotic man, who loved his Fatherland as much as the British soldier his country, and that it was the ordinary soldiers who shared the danger and miseryof the trenches. This change of attitude by the British soldiers was not immediate, nor was it universal, but it was very widespread.

As the British soldier softened his attitude towards the enemy in their trenches a few yards away, his feelings towards those behind him hardened. One of the controversies of the First World War was the extent to which the ordinary soldier lost faith in his generals. Having been in contact with over 500 men of 1916, I have come to this opinion. Initially, the British generals held the complete trust of their men. By their apparent inability to solve the stalemate and their apparent indifference to the sufferings of their men they gradually lost this trust. By 1916 the process had only just started; even by 1918 it was still not complete, for some had faith in the generals to the end. The real bitterness and hatred did not show itself until after the war was over and the men realized the full extent of the tragedy. Even then, a few remained loyal to their old leaders.
 
Impound your car for 6 months to one year. Walk everywhere on base. If you need to ride somewhere far ride your own bicycle. You are not allowed to accept rides from someone else. Write 1,000 words in APA format on the dangers of drunk driving. Visit the local morgue to view those who died as a result of drunk driving.
 
It is amazing that things have reached this point, but then again, not much amazes me...our practice use to be to take away a guy's free time. All of it in lieu of UCMJ action, unless it was an issue such as this or one the CoC had already gotten their hands on. When dealing with NCOs or Os, I still feel either reduction in rank or a straight up discharge is the way to go.
 
I’m not a fan of the DWI laws here in the states, I don’t like how they are enforced or how the Military deals with soldiers who get arrested and or convicted with DWI offenses. People make mistakes, people fuck up and unless someone is killed or property is damaged, people deserve a second chance.

That said, your CO needs to have a come to Jesus with the units leadership (NCO’s and Officers). He needs to sacrifice one of the offenders, and make life hell around the unit. Extra work, extra field time, extra bullshit tasks, or as we used to call it “he needs to show them his devil horns”. The CO needs to reestablish himself as a ball buster (i.e. you fuck up and I will destroy your life) and keep the heat up for about 6 months. After which he can readjust his fire as he sees fit. Any soldier who fucks up gets the hammer dropped on him (i.e. max UCMJ or chapter them out). No favoritism, no special deals, no exceptions. The CO and 1SG need to establish that the behavior is not acceptable, that it will be punished to the maximum and without regard to past performances. Soldiers who care, will shape up, the soldiers who do not care, will be shipped out.
 
I’m not a fan of the DWI laws here in the states, I don’t like how they are enforced or how the Military deals with soldiers who get arrested and or convicted with DWI offenses. People make mistakes, people fuck up and unless someone is killed or property is damaged, people deserve a second chance.

That said, your CO needs to have a come to Jesus with the units leadership (NCO’s and Officers). He needs to sacrifice one of the offenders, and make life hell around the unit. Extra work, extra field time, extra bullshit tasks, or as we used to call it “he needs to show them his devil horns”. The CO needs to reestablish himself as a ball buster (i.e. you fuck up and I will destroy your life) and keep the heat up for about 6 months. After which he can readjust his fire as he sees fit. Any soldier who fucks up gets the hammer dropped on him (i.e. max UCMJ or chapter them out). No favoritism, no special deals, no exceptions. The CO and 1SG need to establish that the behavior is not acceptable, that it will be punished to the maximum and without regard to past performances. Soldiers who care, will shape up, the soldiers who do not care, will be shipped out.
So they can damage property or worse, kill someone on their "second chance"??

Agree 100% with the rest.
 
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