Charlie Kirk shooting -

[amlove21]

I'm going to come back to this and give my thoughts again.

Yesterday was supposed to be my deceased wife's 47th. I am in agony all over again and just need some quiet time.

Damn dude, you really don't need to I am just some dude on the internet.

God bless you man, hope you're well.

 

[Box]

...And there's the rub

Hillary Clinton said it best - "civility in America can only begin again if Democrats win back the House or Senate"

She was trying to be the fucking president when she BOLDLY declared that those who didn't support her were an irredeemable basket of deplorables...
...and that's while she is asking to be the president

Just imagine what she had in mind once "we the people" gave her the keys to the fucking executive washroom. She doubled down and restated that you can't be civil when someone's ideology is at odds with yours:
"you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for"

Her words. Not "ours"
Clintonites have been fighting for decades to destroy the conservative way of life in America.
You don't want to CHAMPION late term abortions? You are a sexist.
You think success in America should be merit based? You are a racist.
You think that immigration should be controlled and tied to improving America? Demanding assimilation makes you a xenophobe.

Hormone therapy for minors without notification of the parents, drag queen story hour, pushing all sorts of degenerate subject matter on elementary school children, pretending that recreational drug use is a victimless crime...
...the list goes on and on and on



"you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for"
-Madam Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

 

[The Quartermaster]

And I think your two sentences pretty clearly define my stance on this whole issue (not just the Kirk assassination, but what it means for the culture war/left and right writ large).

When you meet 1 random individual that still resembles a moral human and happens to be left of center, you SHOULD have hope. I don't, because for every one sane person that seems like they want the best for America, I can give you 10 influencers with 100K followings doing their absolute best to be the absolute worst. And while that 1 person might be good, if they're aligned to that ideology, I don't know what to tell you. Good people have supported heinous things all throughout history.

The vast majority of the left doesn't want to come to the center; they believe the "out group" (in this case, conservatives) has to be eliminated, not talked to. No one on the left is truly calling for a cooling off or an off ramp- they went right back to "everyone I don't like is a Nazi or a fascist and Charlie sort of deserved it" after about 2 seconds.

I think being called an influencer is cringe, they're just an outspoken person really. Social media should and was meant for, bringing folks together and sharing information. However the human race has once again disappointed itself on being tribalistic. Tribes need "leaders" and tribe members need a "leader" to speak it for them.

Can you give examples of good people supporting heinous things? The internment of Americans of Japanese descent and thinking of it as a necessary evil and allowed for it to happen is what I would call IMO and example of that. Were you referring to that or something else?

And I agree with you, there is no coming back because they have been dehumanizing for so long that they caused a 22 year old to blindly believe that he was doing the "right" thing because this is what his cult has been telling them all to do. They use those names and terms to insult and make propaganda with. However with that being said, the human in me wants conflict resolution. I choose peace first and messengers like Charlie was. Their argument was that he was going to schools where they weren't good at arguing but I can see through that appeal to ignorance that they were using to lie with. They were scared that Charlie was going to deprogram and undo some of the indoctrination that was and still is, happening at our schools.

We need a redirect. Starting with the way our children are being schooled. Teaching should be educating with facts that are strictly apolitical and no opinions, and zero tolerances of any politics of any kind as terms for immediate dismissal and a bar from the education profession.

There's a lot of problem solving that needs to be done. And we need a leader, an actual leader with no skeletons in their closet, to lead and show us the way. We need another JFK that's Libertarian, a true Libertarian and not an Lolbert. Radicalism and extremism is definitely not the way, not any American Way.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Damn dude, you really don't need to I am just some dude on the internet.

God bless you man, hope you're well.

I know brother, I know.

I am better than I was yesterday, that's for sure. Thanks for understanding.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Hillary Clinton said it best - "civility in America can only begin again if Democrats win back the House or Senate"

She was trying to be the fucking president when she BOLDLY declared that those who didn't support her were an irredeemable basket of deplorables...
...and that's while she is asking to be the president

Just imagine what she had in mind once "we the people" gave her the keys to the fucking executive washroom. She doubled down and restated that you can't be civil when someone's ideology is at odds with yours:
"you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for"

Her words. Not "ours"
Clintonites have been fighting for decades to destroy the conservative way of life in America.
You don't want to CHAMPION late term abortions? You are a sexist.
You think success in America should be merit based? You are a racist.
You think that immigration should be controlled and tied to improving America? Demanding assimilation makes you a xenophobe.

Hormone therapy for minors without notification of the parents, drag queen story hour, pushing all sorts of degenerate subject matter on elementary school children, pretending that recreational drug use is a victimless crime...
...the list goes on and on and on



"you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for"
-Madam Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

I know, I know. her lips and his, and their followers, are all poison to me.

 

[amlove21]

The Jimmy Kimmel issues related to Charlie have been the simplest microcosm to point out to people ever. It perfectly highlights the "left vs right" issues while simultaneously completely undermining the "it happens on both sides" argument.

Jimmy Kimmel engaged in slander and libel. His sponsors (and ABC and Sinclair) went to Kimmel and said, "Hey, bud, your ratings are atrocious, we pay you $15M a year, and now the sponsors are going to pull their support, you need to apologize and chill." Kimmel refuses, Sinclair pulls the show indefinitely.

The left cries "REEEEEE FREE SPEECH" which it most certainly isn't a free speech issue. The same left that nuked Parler and shadowbanned/deplatformed/debanked conservatives (and the same ones who celebrated the Biden DOJ actually stopping free speech in concert with big tech) now thinks that "freedom of speech" means "you get to libel a dead man and 50% of the country on your show that's supposed to make money, and if you make a business decision to cancel that show, we will threaten to kill you for it."

"BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AARON!"

Yes, it is. A crazy leftist shoots up an ABC affiliate. Multiple other affiliates get bomb threats. Bob Iger and Dana Walden both know that the left will murder them in cold blood on the streets a la Luigi Mangione if they don't get what they want. Perhaps a low-paid individual making $ 75,000 a year, working as a gaffer on an ABC morning news show, gets killed for his trouble. This is the definition of terrorism- create an environment of violence and force others to conform to your demands or perceived demands.

Before the Kimmel suspension, but relevant- two dudes tried to blow up an ABC news van in Salt Lake. The bomb didn't function. We don't have a motive, but call me crazy on this one- I am gonna call the shot now, this was also left-wing domestic terror. Again, this wasn't a threat, this was an action.

So what does ABC do? They submit to threats of terror and give Kimmel his show back. Sinclair has said they won't distribute, guess we will see.

Remember when Bud Light put Dylan Mulvaney on their cans? Remember when Target had tuckable swimsuits for kids? Remember what happened? Conservatives boycotted Target. Bud Light never recovered. There were no nationwide threats of violence against Target- Target's biggest problem nationwide is still theft and "mostly peaceful protests". Not conservative bomb threats.

This story has everything- the hypocrisy, the gaslighting, the ouotright lying, the victim mentality, oppressed vs oppressor, accusation through projection... if someone wanted me to quickly give an example of the left and right association and differences, this is the examply I am going to use.

"The difference in this country as far as the left and right divide is this- they will kill an innocent man, mock him and his family, destroy his memorials, lie about the event to all of America, then cry victim when the consequences start- all while saying you're the real threat to America."

 

[AWP]

The Jimmy Kimmel issues related to Charlie have been the simplest microcosm to point out to people ever. It perfectly highlights the "left vs right" issues while simultaneously completely undermining the "it happens on both sides" argument.

Jimmy Kimmel engaged in slander and libel. His sponsors (and ABC and Sinclair) went to Kimmel and said, "Hey, bud, your ratings are atrocious, we pay you $15M a year, and now the sponsors are going to pull their support, you need to apologize and chill." Kimmel refuses, Sinclair pulls the show indefinitely.

The left cries "REEEEEE FREE SPEECH" which it most certainly isn't a free speech issue. The same left that nuked Parler and shadowbanned/deplatformed/debanked conservatives (and the same ones who celebrated the Biden DOJ actually stopping free speech in concert with big tech) now thinks that "freedom of speech" means "you get to libel a dead man and 50% of the country on your show that's supposed to make money, and if you make a business decision to cancel that show, we will threaten to kill you for it."

"BUT THAT'S NOT HAPPENING AARON!"

Yes, it is. A crazy leftist shoots up an ABC affiliate. Multiple other affiliates get bomb threats. Bob Iger and Dana Walden both know that the left will murder them in cold blood on the streets a la Luigi Mangione if they don't get what they want. Perhaps a low-paid individual making $ 75,000 a year, working as a gaffer on an ABC morning news show, gets killed for his trouble. This is the definition of terrorism- create an environment of violence and force others to conform to your demands or perceived demands.

Before the Kimmel suspension, but relevant- two dudes tried to blow up an ABC news van in Salt Lake. The bomb didn't function. We don't have a motive, but call me crazy on this one- I am gonna call the shot now, this was also left-wing domestic terror. Again, this wasn't a threat, this was an action.

So what does ABC do? They submit to threats of terror and give Kimmel his show back. Sinclair has said they won't distribute, guess we will see.

Remember when Bud Light put Dylan Mulvaney on their cans? Remember when Target had tuckable swimsuits for kids? Remember what happened? Conservatives boycotted Target. Bud Light never recovered. There were no nationwide threats of violence against Target- Target's biggest problem nationwide is still theft and "mostly peaceful protests". Not conservative bomb threats.

This story has everything- the hypocrisy, the gaslighting, the ouotright lying, the victim mentality, oppressed vs oppressor, accusation through projection... if someone wanted me to quickly give an example of the left and right association and differences, this is the examply I am going to use.

"The difference in this country as far as the left and right divide is this- they will kill an innocent man, mock him and his family, destroy his memorials, lie about the event to all of America, then cry victim when the consequences start- all while saying you're the real threat to America."

Rosanne, Gina Carano...

 

[amlove21]

Rosanne, Gina Carano...

Don't get me started man. Pointing out the hypocrisy point by point doesn't matter. Same as the "both sides" argument- I am done with that.

In the week following Charlie, which in and of itself was a left-wing terror act, we had a truck bomb in Utah targeting journalists (no motive, won't say either way, but I am betting on it), and a domestic terrorist attacked journalists in California.

Both sides do it, eh? Both sides resort to it? Ok, well, I have 3 examples in a week. Let's start there. 3 actions- not threats, not words, not dog whistles- 3 actual incidents of what I believe to be left-wing terrorist violence. It happens on both sides, does it? Ok post your links.

Present the same number of incidents, that's the "scope" argument. Then we will talk about what the actions were in "scale"- did anyone die? Property damaged? Significant impact on American citizens?

The left resorts to political violence at like step 4 of their playbook. They do so on such a scope and scale that it's undeniable, looking at the numbers as they are, and we know the numbers are lying in multiple different arenas.

And all the while, I am being told that I am the violent one.

 

[AWP]

Don't get me started man. Pointing out the hypocrisy point by point doesn't matter. Same as the "both sides" argument- I am done with that.

In the week following Charlie, which in and of itself was a left-wing terror act, we had a truck bomb in Utah targeting journalists (no motive, won't say either way, but I am betting on it), and a domestic terrorist attacked journalists in California.

Both sides do it, eh? Both sides resort to it? Ok, well, I have 3 examples in a week. Let's start there. 3 actions- not threats, not words, not dog whistles- 3 actual incidents of what I believe to be left-wing terrorist violence. It happens on both sides, does it? Ok post your links.

Present the same number of incidents, that's the "scope" argument. Then we will talk about what the actions were in "scale"- did anyone die? Property damaged? Significant impact on American citizens?

The left resorts to political violence at like step 4 of their playbook. They do so on such a scope and scale that it's undeniable, looking at the numbers as they are, and we know the numbers are lying in multiple different arenas.

And all the while, I am being told that I am the violent one.

Just dropping a couple of examples before the "give us some examples crowd" shows up be it here or in our personal lives when the topic is discussed. No more, no less.

 

[amlove21]

Rosanne, Gina Carano...

I can't get over this enough- when conservatives were being targeted and censored EVERYWHERE, the left's response was "well go make your own then!" and snickered condescendingly.

And what did the conservative space do? Just that. We made Parler. Then, AWS nuked Parler for Jan 6 and "not moderating enough to stop collusion of Jan 6 folks". Meanwhile, then-Twitter (pre-elon) is so full of CP that normies can find it looking for hot dogs. And Facebook. And IG

People bring up Carano, Tucker, Candace, Nick, Milo, Steve, Alex, Mgyn, Roseanne, Gillis, Rogan, Tim Pool, Steven Crowder, Bongino, Rubin, Sam Tripoli... there are thousands more people to add to that list that didn't have the audience or resources to fight it and just went away.

If you want a SUPER interesting read that's a pretty damning look at Biden's DOJ and weaponization of our institutions against his enemies, do a little reading into the Tenet scandal. It started here and ended here. Spoiler alert-

Spoiler: You'll never guess

the Biden DOJ made some heinous allegations about Russian collustion and big name conservatives on the take from Russia via Tenet. It was completely fabricated. Nothing was ever proven or even supported by the DOJ. They made it up to hamper Trump in the election by targeting the biggest names in the space. As always the lie traveled around the world 2 times before the truth left the station.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Don't get me started man. Pointing out the hypocrisy point by point doesn't matter. Same as the "both sides" argument- I am done with that.

In the week following Charlie, which in and of itself was a left-wing terror act, we had a truck bomb in Utah targeting journalists (no motive, won't say either way, but I am betting on it), and a domestic terrorist attacked journalists in California.

Both sides do it, eh? Both sides resort to it? Ok, well, I have 3 examples in a week. Let's start there. 3 actions- not threats, not words, not dog whistles- 3 actual incidents of what I believe to be left-wing terrorist violence. It happens on both sides, does it? Ok post your links.

Present the same number of incidents, that's the "scope" argument. Then we will talk about what the actions were in "scale"- did anyone die? Property damaged? Significant impact on American citizens?

The left resorts to political violence at like step 4 of their playbook. They do so on such a scope and scale that it's undeniable, looking at the numbers as they are, and we know the numbers are lying in multiple different arenas.

And all the while, I am being told that I am the violent one.

We are being gaslit. And don't forget the Free Palestine shooting. attack. I dunno about anyone else but when I know that my cause is just, I don't go around terrorizing folks for not bending wills to my cause because then it becomes unjust.

 

[The Quartermaster]

Just dropping a couple of examples before the "give us some examples crowd" shows up be it here or in our personal lives when the topic is discussed. No more, no less.

If I were to say that, I'd be told to knock it off.

 

[Cookie_]

Have we discussed the claim that Charlie's neck bones were so dense they stopped a 30.06 from exiting?

Now, I'm not an expert in ballistics or anatomy, but I would think a 30.06 generates more power than any possible density of bones in the neck.

 

[RackMaster]

Have we discussed the claim that Charlie's neck bones were so dense they stopped a 30.06 from exiting?

Now, I'm not an expert in ballistics or anatomy, but I would think a 30.06 generates more power than any possibility density of bones in the neck.

I think even with a 110 grain varmint load, should penetrate. One of the videos, it looks like he's wearing a vest and it ricochet off the inside of the vest, then hitting the neck.

 

[Marauder06]

She's a better person than I am.

If someone murdered my spouse, I don't think I could forgive them. Ever.

 

[The Quartermaster]

I think even with a 110 grain varmint load, should penetrate. One of the videos, it looks like he's wearing a vest and it ricochet off the inside of the vest, then hitting the neck.

AR500 or SAPI/ESAPI? AR500 would definitely do that, but SAPI or ESAPI? Tests I have seen would suggest otherwise.


Polymer tipped projectiles tend to explode the projectile into fragments upon impact.

 

[RackMaster]

AR500 or SAPI/ESAPI? AR500 would definitely do that, but SAPI or ESAPI? Tests I have seen would suggest otherwise.


Polymer tipped projectiles tend to explode the projectile into fragments upon impact.

A fragment is all it takes.

This video breaks down similar thoughts to mine.

 

[amlove21]

Have we discussed the claim that Charlie's neck bones were so dense they stopped a 30.06 from exiting?

Now, I'm not an expert in ballistics or anatomy, but I would think a 30.06 generates more power than any possible density of bones in the neck.

the most ridiculous. I hate everyone.

 

[Marauder06]

the most ridiculous. I hate everyone.

I've got to think that the only way anyone's neck bones stop a .30 caliber bullet from exiting is if it hits the bone and deflects, deflected off of something else before it hit the neck, or was at such a long distance that it lacked power to exit the body.

 

[amlove21]

I've got to think that the only way anyone's neck bones stop a .30 caliber bullet from exiting is if it hits the bone and deflects, deflected off of something else before it hit the neck, or was at such a long distance that it lacked power to exit the body.

Just… no.