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DHS report: China hid virus' severity to hoard supplies

Meanwhile in California:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1257098023529635842

ETA: There have been no confederate flags in Michigan from any of the videos I've seen, I've seen a lot of them. Whitmer is doing nothing to dig herself out of the hole she has dug.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1256962780504231938

The photos here are great. When Californians are getting restless, that's bad.

ETA2: Protests mark growing unrest with California stay-home order

Huntington Beach deployed their mounted police unit for the protests.

Police on hand as ‘patriotic protests’ multiply after California governor re-closes Orange County beaches
 
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Florida173 said:
I'm curious to how the death toll would increase on the back side of the flattened curve. Stupid pay wall. Maybe in the article?
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I still had a free article, here ya go. I copy/pasted off my phone, so it may be slightly janky.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases a day currently.
The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, significant risks remain. And reopening the economy will make matters worse.
“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned.

As the administration privately predicted a sharp increase in deaths, a public model that has been frequently cited by the White House revised its own estimates and projected a death toll of more than double what it was predicting last month.
The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington is now estimating that there will be nearly 135,000 deaths in the U.S. through the beginning of August — more than double what it forecast on April 17, when it estimated 60,308 deaths by Aug. 4. (There have already been more than 68,000 deaths in the US).

The institute wrote that the revisions “reflect rising mobility in most U.S. states as well as the easing of social distancing measures expected in 31 states by May 11, indicating that growing contacts among people will promote transmission of the coronavirus.”


The projections confirm the primary fear of public health experts: that a reopening of the economy will put the nation back where it was in mid-March, when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways as the health care system was overloaded.

“While mitigation didn’t fail, I think it’s fair to say that it didn’t work as well as we expected,” Dr. Scott Gottlieb, Mr. Trump’s former commissioner of food and drugs, said Sunday on the CBS program Face the Nation. “We expected that we would start seeing more significant declines in new cases and deaths around the nation at this point. And we’re just not seeing that.”
On Sunday, Mr. Trump said deaths in the United States could reach 100,000, twice as many as he had forecast just two weeks ago. But his new estimate still underestimates what his own administration is now predicting to be the total death toll by the end of May — much less in the months to come. It follows a pattern for Mr. Trump, who has frequently understated the impact of the disease.
“We’re going to lose anywhere from 75, 80 to 100,000 people,” he said in a virtual town hall on Fox News on Sunday. “That’s a horrible thing. We shouldn’t lose one person over this.”

The White House responded that the new projections had not been vetted.
“This is not a White House document, nor has it been presented to the coronavirus task force or gone through interagency vetting,” said Judd Deere, a White House spokesman. “This data is not reflective of any of the modeling done by the task force or data that the task force has analyzed.”
“The president’s phased guidelines to open up America again are a scientific-driven approach that the top health and infectious disease experts in the federal government agreed with,” he added.
After the new projections were reported on Monday, Dr. Gottlieb wrote on Twitter that a lingering threat from the virus would be “our new normal.”
“While the model’s assumptions are unclear, and therefore its estimates uncertain, we should expect cases to rise as we re-open aspects of economy,” he wrote.


Some states that have partially reopened are still seeing an increase in cases, including Iowa, Minnesota, Tennessee and Texas, according to Times data. Indiana, Kansas and Nebraska also are seeing an increase in cases and reopened some businesses on Monday. Alaska has also reopened and is seeing a small number of increasing cases.
While the country has stabilized, it has not really improved, as shown by data collected by The Times. Case and death numbers remain on a numbing, tragic plateau that is tilting only slightly downward.
At least 1,000 people with the virus, and sometimes more than 2,000, have died every day for the last month. On a near-daily basis, at least 25,000 new cases of the virus are being identified across the country. And even as New York City, New Orleans and Detroit have shown improvement, other urban centers, including Chicago and Los Angeles, are reporting steady growth in the number of cases.
The situation has devolved most significantly in parts of rural America that were largely spared in the early stages of the pandemic. As food processing facilities and prisons have emerged as some of the country’s largest case clusters, the counties that include Logansport, Ind., South Sioux City, Neb., and Marion, Ohio, have surpassed New York City in cases per capita.
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French hospital discovers Covid-19 case from December

This thing was floating all over the place pretty early. Looking at our anti-body testing data we're talking tens of millions of infections here.

Remember...flattening the curve was never about stimying the virus but about maneuvering so as not to stress our hospital capacity. So the IHME folks who've been "wrong" the whole time are saying "don't lift the stay at home orders, there will be a surge". Will there? How? If you keep everyone cooped up for much longer we will have other and bigger problems. You need to weight that vs a Viral respiratory infection that is now here to stay. In many ways this is just like the flu (viral infection).

Also #fuckchina
 
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ThunderHorse said:
Remember...flattening the curve was never about stimying the virus but about maneuvering so as not to stress our hospital capacity.
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I keep bringing that up to people, but they have moved the goal post. It's now to wait for a vaccine or something... i dunno.. the FEMA/HHS COP isn't saying anything new and the IHME model is still garbage.. my state has gone even more retarded.

LIVE: Northam expected to outline plans for reopening Virginia as COVID-19 deaths near 700
That means if one person is tested three-times and all three tests come back positive, it counts as three instead of how the numbers were being counted before, which would have only been one because it was a single patient.
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Why in the hell is anyone paying attention to the models? ANY of them? They've been proven time and time again to be bullshit and yet we continue to hang our hopes and fears on "the models" as if those garbage numbers will save us. We're reading tea leaves, but with math and scientists instead of a pseudo-gypsy circus sideshow with cards or a magic eight ball. These dumb ass models belong in the dot thread and should be taken as seriously as a new member who will die before he quits in his quest to be a Tier 1 operator.

How can y'all sit there with straight faces and make arguments around CV-19 projections?
 
AWP said:
Why in the hell is anyone paying attention to the models? ANY of them? They've been proven time and time again to be bullshit and yet we continue to hang our hopes and fears on "the models" as if those garbage numbers will save us. We're reading tea leaves, but with math and scientists instead of a pseudo-gypsy circus sideshow with cards or a magic eight ball. These dumb ass models belong in the dot thread and should be taken as seriously as a new member who will die before he quits in his quest to be a Tier 1 operator.

How can y'all sit there with straight faces and make arguments around CV-19 projections?
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That was good.
 
AWP said:
Why in the hell is anyone paying attention to the models? ANY of them? They've been proven time and time again to be bullshit and yet we continue to hang our hopes and fears on "the models" as if those garbage numbers will save us. We're reading tea leaves, but with math and scientists instead of a pseudo-gypsy circus sideshow with cards or a magic eight ball. These dumb ass models belong in the dot thread and should be taken as seriously as a new member who will die before he quits in his quest to be a Tier 1 operator.

How can y'all sit there with straight faces and make arguments around CV-19 projections?
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Hard agree.
 
Ooh Rah’s Covid Observation of the day....

The owners and employees of hair & nail salons; along with barber shops, are trained, tested, and certified by the State in the areas of cleanliness and sanitation. Yet they remain closed after a month plus of shutdown.

Liquor stores remain open. They are staffed mostly by employees who, to be kind, are untrained in the skill sets of cleanliness and sanitation.

Boating, fishing, and gathering on Minnesota lakes are permitted, but overnight camping in the BWCA is not?

Follow the money.

My patience with the unfairness of this Governors’ opinions on what should be considered ‘essential’ is wearing thin.
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Ooh Rah’s Covid Observation of the day....

The owners and employees of hair & nail salons; along with barber shops, are trained, tested, and certified by the State in the areas of cleanliness and sanitation. Yet they remain closed after a month plus of shutdown.

Liquor stores remain open. They are staffed mostly by employees who, to be kind, are untrained in the skill sets of cleanliness and sanitation.

Boating, fishing, and gathering on Minnesota lakes are permitted, but overnight camping in the BWCA is not?

Follow the money.

My patience with the unfairness of this Governors’ opinions on what should be considered ‘essential’ is wearing thin.
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That's been my issue all along. There is no consistency or logical approach as to how the Gov. has determined what is essential.

Starbucks, essential? In all seriousness? Not even close. Yet, they've remained open from day one.

I can now get my dog groomed but I can't get my own hair cut.

Golf? Sure, no problem.

Everyone is still going to the grocery store, Target, Home Depot, etc. on a weekly basis. Home Depot was PACKED this weekend.

There are so many loopholes that the "stay at home" order isn't really all that effective. As an unintended consequence, and as a result of poor planning and execution, the only thing this order is doing is singling out and harming small businesses.

So, for this reason, I fall into the open it up camp.

What frustrates me most is that I'm not hearing any plans, guidance, or ideas about how to protect the high risk populations, like those in congregate assisted-care facilities. That should absolutely be at the forefront of every discussion, beginning a month and a half ago. That solution should've been on the critical path to opening things back up from day one.
 
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Ooh-Rah said:
Ooh Rah’s Covid Observation of the day....

The owners and employees of hair & nail salons; along with barber shops, are trained, tested, and certified by the State in the areas of cleanliness and sanitation. Yet they remain closed after a month plus of shutdown.

Liquor stores remain open. They are staffed mostly by employees who, to be kind, are untrained in the skill sets of cleanliness and sanitation.

Boating, fishing, and gathering on Minnesota lakes are permitted, but overnight camping in the BWCA is not?

Follow the money.

My patience with the unfairness of this Governors’ opinions on what should be considered ‘essential’ is wearing thin.
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Coming home from this deployment is going to be one of the strangest things I've ever done. Everything I've read in the news, the governors' responses, the further divide...I just don't know. I'm worried about what life looks like when things get back to "normal". The amount of control people allow others to have over them because of fear is mind blowing. We're watching Canada set an example that I'm sure others are chomping at the bit to follow. It feels like it's just the start.
 
My institution went rogue around mid-April, using in-house data crunchers. Our 'peak' and 'wave' and estimates have been FAR more accurate than what the media has been putting out. We stopped looking at what Los Federales was putting out.

I understand why 'they' are modelling. We need the models. It's part of public health. BUT... if 'they' are putting out models, 'they' also need to explain their methodology and reasoning.

Same logic extends to our Very Esteemed Elected Officials who seemingly throw out dates with no rhyme or reason: if you are going to close parks, but keep Chuck-E-Cheese open, tell me why. If this county has a must-mask order and stay-at-home order until the end of May, but the next county over, their order expire tomorrow, tell me why.

@Ooh-Rah , our local liquor stores, they have for-real cops standing at the door enforcing a one-in/one-out rule so the number inside remains at 10. The people behind the registers are shielded by plastic, they make you scan your bottle, make you scan your card, make you get the receipt, and make you bag your own booze. They do nothing except 'ring it up' after you scan the bottle.
 
The sheep have become *genuinely scared* now and have given up all their rights to the government who is taking care of them now and telling them how they should live.

I don't think the nation will fully recover from this event. People have shown how easily they will give up their rights based on the governments opinion. We -- as a nation -- have given up a lot of rights in a very short time.

We now have people ratting each other out over sneezing, coughing, or families having picnics in empty parks with no one around them. We are ripe for the government to do what they want now that they have seen how easy it would be.
 
Devildoc said:
@Ooh-Rah , our local liquor stores, they have for-real cops standing at the door enforcing a one-in/one-out rule so the number inside remains at 10. The people behind the registers are shielded by plastic, they make you scan your bottle, make you scan your card, make you get the receipt, and make you bag your own booze. They do nothing except 'ring it up' after you scan the bottle
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That is the exact opposite of what is happening in Minnesota, yet “the people” love this governor.

Every time he has a press conference he uses the same three indoctrination phrases, I get literal douche chills every time I hear him saying this:

“we are trying to protect you”

“We wear masks partially to show solidarity and support for each other “

“You as Minnesotans have shown...blah...blah...blah”
 

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