Covid-19

Grunt said:
The sheep have become *genuinely scared* now and have given up all their rights to the government who is taking care of them now and telling them how they should live.

I don't think the nation will fully recover from this event. People have shown how easily they will give up their rights based on the governments opinion. We -- as a nation -- have given up a lot of rights in a very short time.

We now have people ratting each other out over sneezing, coughing, or families having picnics in empty parks with no one around them. We are ripe for the government to do what they want now that they have seen how easy it would be.
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That's what worries me the most going into this next election. I feel like there are far more people that side with the left than the right. And it's funny because the government isn't "helping" them. So they gave out a $1200 stimulus, what does that even get you? My rent in California is $2450/mo not including utilities. $1200 is a slap in the face if anything. Stick people in their homes for 2 months and only give them a 15 day salary. Would have rather seen that money go to the banks to cover mortgages or car payments for people or delivered in food stamps to prevent frivolous spending when people are actually struggling to survive.
 
Devildoc said:
@Ooh-Rah , our local liquor stores, they have for-real cops standing at the door enforcing a one-in/one-out rule so the number inside remains at 10. The people behind the registers are shielded by plastic, they make you scan your bottle, make you scan your card, make you get the receipt, and make you bag your own booze. They do nothing except 'ring it up' after you scan the bottle.
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Or there's the insanely stupid, 10 (insert your number here) customer limit inside the store at any one time policy. So, what does everyone else do? Form a huge fucking line right outside the door.

There are also the companies, like Menards (regional home improvement store, similar to Home Depot) who now require you to wear a mask in their store and if you don't have one, sell you one for $1. This is all within their rights as a private business but fuck them. It'd be something altogether different if they provided masks at no charge or donated the profits from mask sales to the purchase of PPE for healthcare workers or something but that's not the case. Keep in mind, Menards is a company who was found to be price gouging on things like toilet paper right as things started heating up. Want my continued business? Don't operate like a douche.

It's all so asinine.

And as you also pointed out, the rules vary even further from county to county and city to city. Want to play tennis? Not in this city but OK over there. SMH.
 
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Devildoc said:
I understand why 'they' are modelling. We need the models. It's part of public health. BUT... if 'they' are putting out models, 'they' also need to explain their methodology and reasoning.
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"If it saves one life, it was worth it".

There you go; that's their reasoning. ;-)
 
Blizzard said:
What frustrates me most is that I'm not hearing any plans, guidance, or ideas about how to protect the high risk populations, like those in congregate assisted-care facilities. That should absolutely be at the forefront of every discussion, beginning a month and a half ago. That solution should've been on the critical path to opening things back up from day one.
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It's not news that the most at risk just happen to be the most congregated in assisted living. The time for plans has passed and it seems all that much more evident that the problem is taking care of itself. Who's to blame on this one?
 
Ooh-Rah said:
Ooh Rah’s Covid Observation of the day....

The owners and employees of hair & nail salons; along with barber shops, are trained, tested, and certified by the State in the areas of cleanliness and sanitation. Yet they remain closed after a month plus of shutdown.

Liquor stores remain open. They are staffed mostly by employees who, to be kind, are untrained in the skill sets of cleanliness and sanitation.

Boating, fishing, and gathering on Minnesota lakes are permitted, but overnight camping in the BWCA is not?

Follow the money.

My patience with the unfairness of this Governors’ opinions on what should be considered ‘essential’ is wearing thin.
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That’s a pretty valid point. Our hairdressers stayed open.
 
Devildoc said:
My institution went rogue around mid-April, using in-house data crunchers. Our 'peak' and 'wave' and estimates have been FAR more accurate than what the media has been putting out. We stopped looking at what Los Federales was putting out.

I understand why 'they' are modelling. We need the models. It's part of public health. BUT... if 'they' are putting out models, 'they' also need to explain their methodology and reasoning.

Same logic extends to our Very Esteemed Elected Officials who seemingly throw out dates with no rhyme or reason: if you are going to close parks, but keep Chuck-E-Cheese open, tell me why. If this county has a must-mask order and stay-at-home order until the end of May, but the next county over, their order expire tomorrow, tell me why.

@Ooh-Rah , our local liquor stores, they have for-real cops standing at the door enforcing a one-in/one-out rule so the number inside remains at 10. The people behind the registers are shielded by plastic, they make you scan your bottle, make you scan your card, make you get the receipt, and make you bag your own booze. They do nothing except 'ring it up' after you scan the bottle.
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thats a Sensible line to take. All our state & territory responses have been individual, according to circumstances & they have been given a free hand to do so.
 
Listening to an interview today with Gen Colin Powell, reminded me of his leadership primers (there were 18). These have changed/evolved slightly over the years into his 13 rules of leadership, but a couple which seem pertinent to today's environment (meanings below were written in terms of business leadership but I think we can translate to leadership in general):

"Don't be buffaloed by experts and elites. Experts often possess more data than judgment. Elites can become so inbred that they produce hemophiliacs who bleed to death as soon as they are nicked by the real world."
Meaning:
Small companies and start-ups don't have the time for analytically detached experts. They don't have the money to subsidize lofty elites, either... ...Policies that emanate from ivory towers often have an adverse impact on the people out in the field who are fighting the wars or bringing in the revenues. Real leaders are vigilant, and combative, in the face of these trends.

"Don't be afraid to challenge the pros, even in their own backyard."
Meaning:
Learn from the pros, observe them, seek them out as mentors and partners. But remember that even the pros may have leveled out in terms of their learning and skills. Sometimes even the pros can become complacent and lazy. Leadership does not emerge from blind obedience to anyone. Xerox's Barry Rand was right on target when he warned his people that if you have a yes-man working for you, one of you is redundant. Good leadership encourages everyone's evolution.

The two points above really speak to the need for critical thinking. There is not a lot of evidence of this occurring in today's environment. Many seem to be lost in group think and that's a dangerous space to live in.
 
Scientists Who Didn't Predict A Single Thing Accurately For Last Two Months Confident They Know What The Weather Is Going To Be Like In 100 Years

It's only funny because it's TRUE!
WORLD—Authorities in the scientific community who touted faulty COVID-19 models are "pretty confident" they know what the weather is going to be like in 100 years, sources confirmed Wednesday.
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I love the weather channel but they are scientists and they are wrong alot. They have accurate models and almost 100 years of data that helps them make educated forecasts, but they are still wrong.

How much data do we have on COVID? 4-6 months, if that. This is no longer an educated forecast but a hunch or guess much like going to see the Seer on Vikings.

O_o :ROFLMAO:
 
SpongeBob*24 said:
Scientists Who Didn't Predict A Single Thing Accurately For Last Two Months Confident They Know What The Weather Is Going To Be Like In 100 Years

It's only funny because it's TRUE!


I love the weather channel but they are scientists and they are wrong alot. They have accurate models and almost 100 years of data that helps them make educated forecasts, but they are still wrong.

How much data do we have on COVID? 4-6 months, if that. This is no longer an educated forecast but a hunch or guess much like going to see the Seer on Vikings.

O_o :ROFLMAO:
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I know that's satire, but I had a real convo about that. Someone was arguing about COVID, models, and weather forecasting. I put it like this:

Every year we have hurricanes in the Atlantic. Every year, and we have since there's been an Atlantic Ocean. We know where and how they start, how they travel, how they grow. So, we know the science behind them. That's part 1. Part 2, where do they go? Once they form, experts put out tracks based on probabilities given history, air temp, water temp, and a couple hundred other variables. The computers run the models with all of these, over and over looking for repeatability. Now, when hurricanes start as a low pressure system near the Canary Islands, people want to know, will it be a Cat 5 with an eye that moves over my town, in western Virginia. Probably not. We don't even know if it's going to become a Cat 1 or even hit the US at all. But as it moves and grows we get more and more data, the 'cone of certainty' narrows, and a couple hours before landfall, we know pretty well what's going to happen.

With COVID, there's a LOT we do not know, and we are learning more every day. What if we never, ever had a hurricane, and now we had a hundred in the Atlantic? Already behind the curve. We don't know how to forecast, because it's so new. Not only can't we tell you where they are going, we can't tell you what the damage will be if they hit. Since we've never seen one we do not know that they can grow/weaken/disappear, we do not know what makes them better or worse, we do not know anything. So every one of those hurricanes gives a little insight, a little glimpse, and we learn a little more. After looking at all 100, especially retrospectively, we have a lot of data, so now we can start understanding what we are dealing with.

Next May, when we see a low pressure system off the Canary Islands, we'll have an "a ha!" moment, look at our data, and start building a model that should be more accurate than the ones we built this year on brand new information.
 
Devildoc said:
I know that's satire, but I had a real convo about that. Someone was arguing about COVID, models, and weather forecasting. I put it like this:

Every year we have hurricanes in the Atlantic. Every year, and we have since there's been an Atlantic Ocean. We know where and how they start, how they travel, how they grow. So, we know the science behind them. That's part 1. Part 2, where do they go? Once they form, experts put out tracks based on probabilities given history, air temp, water temp, and a couple hundred other variables. The computers run the models with all of these, over and over looking for repeatability. Now, when hurricanes start as a low pressure system near the Canary Islands, people want to know, will it be a Cat 5 with an eye that moves over my town, in western Virginia. Probably not. We don't even know if it's going to become a Cat 1 or even hit the US at all. But as it moves and grows we get more and more data, the 'cone of certainty' narrows, and a couple hours before landfall, we know pretty well what's going to happen.

With COVID, there's a LOT we do not know, and we are learning more every day. What if we never, ever had a hurricane, and now we had a hundred in the Atlantic? Already behind the curve. We don't know how to forecast, because it's so new. Not only can't we tell you where they are going, we can't tell you what the damage will be if they hit. Since we've never seen one we do not know that they can grow/weaken/disappear, we do not know what makes them better or worse, we do not know anything. So every one of those hurricanes gives a little insight, a little glimpse, and we learn a little more. After looking at all 100, especially retrospectively, we have a lot of data, so now we can start understanding what we are dealing with.

Next May, when we see a low pressure system off the Canary Islands, we'll have an "a ha!" moment, look at our data, and start building a model that should be more accurate than the ones we built this year on brand new information.
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Agree 100% because that is literally what I said. Re-read what I said Doc. I gave Science an out because they don't have computer models or years of data to help them objectively produce a forecast.

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SpongeBob*24 said:
Agree 100% because that is literally what I said. Re-read what I said Doc. I gave Science an out because they don't have computer models or years of data to help them objectively produce a forecast.

:thumbsup:
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Oh, I know, I was just pointing out that was a literal conversation I had. A LOT of us feel the same way. It's nuts. But it's a great analogy.
 
BloodStripe said:
Video had over a million views in less than one day and YouTube has now deleted it multiple times. Grab your tin foil.
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Here's the vimeo and original site if you are interested. It's on youtube in a few other places, but will likely get taken down. Some people posted it on Facebook and they have all been removed.

https://plandemicmovie.com/

 
Salt USMC said:
What’s the central thesis of the video?
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Something something globalists something something scientist who was fired for falsifying data in 2009(?) changed her story about what she was studying once she lost her job something something vaccines have viruses that cause autism and cancer something something the ocean has healing microbes and standing on sand cures disease something something.....

ABOUT THE FILM Humanity is imprisoned by a killer pandemic. People are being arrested for surfing in the ocean and meditating in nature. Nations are collapsing. Hungry citizens are rioting for food. The media has generated so much confusion and fear that people are begging for salvation in a syringe. Billionaire patent owners are pushing for globally mandated vaccines. Anyone who refuses to be injected with experimental poisons will be prohibited from travel, education and work. No, this is not a synopsis for a new horror movie. This is our current reality.

Let’s back up to address how we got here…

In the early 1900s, America’s first Billionaire, John D. Rockefeller bought a German pharmaceutical company that would later assist Hitler to implement his eugenics-based vision by manufacturing chemicals and poisons for war. Rockefeller wanted to eliminate the competitors of Western medicine, so he submitted a report to Congress declaring that there were too many doctors and medical schools in America, and that all natural healing modalities were unscientific quackery. Rockefeller called for the standardization of medical education, whereby only his organization be allowed to grant medical school licenses in the US. And so began the practice of immune suppressive, synthetic and toxic drugs. Once people had become dependent on this new system and the addictive drugs it provided, the system switched to a paid program, creating lifelong customers for the Rockefellers. Currently, medical error is the third leading cause of death in the US. Rockefeller’s secret weapon to success was the strategy known as, “problem-reaction-solution.” Create a problem, escalate fear, then offer a pre-planned solution. Sound familiar?

Flash forward to 2020…

They named it COVID19. Our leaders of world health predicted millions would die. The National Guard was deployed. Makeshift hospitals were erected to care for a massive overflow of patients. Mass graves were dug. Terrifying news reports had people everywhere seeking shelter to avoid connect. The plan is unfolding with precision. But the masters of the Pandemic underestimated one thing… the people. Medical professionals and every-day citizens are sharing critical information online. The overlords of big tech have ordered all dissenting voices to be silenced and banned, but they are too late. The slumbering masses are awake and aware that something is not right. Quarantine has provided the missing element: time. Suddenly, our overworked citizenry has ample time to research and investigate for themselves. Once you see, you can’t unsee.

The window of opportunity is open like never before. For the first time in human history, we have the world’s attention. Plandemic will expose the scientific and political elite who run the scam that is our global health system, while laying out a new plan; a plan that allows all of humanity to reconnect with healing forces of nature. 2020 is the code for perfect vision. It is also the year that will go down in history as the moment we finally opened our eyes.
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