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Covid-19
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Thing's are going well when your political leaders are sharing cheesecake recipes.
Ontario Premier Doug Ford reveals his 'famous' cherry cheesecake recipe
Ontario Premier Doug Ford reveals his 'famous' cherry cheesecake recipe
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Meanwhile, Nero fiddled.
To quote one of my favorite comedians, it might be time to wrap it up.
COVID-19: We Have to Get on with Life
COVID-19: We Have to Get on with Life
This was bound to happen and 5 cases isn't bad.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-soldiers-nursing-homes-1.5571607
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid19-soldiers-nursing-homes-1.5571607
ThunderHorse
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So, Washington is starting to see it had cases in December.
2 Washington cases of 'COVID-19-like illness' in December raise questions about when disease arrived in US
2 Washington cases of 'COVID-19-like illness' in December raise questions about when disease arrived in US
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Does it though? I mean, if you watch what bluedot did for analysis, it seems like it's obvious it would be here during that time frame.
The computer algorithm that was among the first to detect the coronavirus outbreak
ThunderHorse
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I've posted previously that this virus likely hit our shores in November. And if that's the case, what the heck did we just do to ourselves?
I used to work in Cortez near this park...the itinerate drunks were known as "park rangers"...this one apparently embalmed himself, but it gave the state health department a chance to inflate the numbers. New COVID-19 Death Dispute: Colorado Coroner Says State Mischaracterized Death
What pisses me off is that's a Canadian company and our government ignored the signs until our PM's wife got sick.
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I'm still not 100% convinced we're even identifying and capturing cases correctly. Some of the serious outlier cases I've seen reported that don't fit the more common profile has me wondering if they could actually be something different, yet are still being attributed to COVID-19.
There certainly could be and probably are issues with the reporting quality of diagnoses as well. Never have so many eyes been on a specific diagnosis that stepping back and looking at diagnosis reporting may be prudent.
There certainly could be and probably are issues with the reporting quality of diagnoses as well. Never have so many eyes been on a specific diagnosis that stepping back and looking at diagnosis reporting may be prudent.
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Daily I'm talking with my wife about her thoughts and feelings throughout this mess, plus her conversations with friends.,All but one of them are slightly left of center on social issues, but right of center on foreign relations, 2A, economic topics, etc. They started out, like many of us, with some worry. As this dragged on and the unrelenting sky-is-falling media coverage shit, it left them with fear, aprehension, and eventual depression.
In the last two weeks that has become acceptance, anger, and even a bit of rebellion. They've gone from "flatten the curve" to "open up this muthafucker" and move forward with life. Continue to protect the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, but stop destroying our country socially and economically.
How much longer does this continue before more and more find themselves with this thought process?
In the last two weeks that has become acceptance, anger, and even a bit of rebellion. They've gone from "flatten the curve" to "open up this muthafucker" and move forward with life. Continue to protect the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions, but stop destroying our country socially and economically.
How much longer does this continue before more and more find themselves with this thought process?
I feel like that's the case as well. Been talking to my friends in CA. They're about over it too.
Side note, my work colleague's wife went to pick up her mother's death certificate last week or so. He said she's had cancer for quite a while. His wife said they asked if they could put the COD as covid related. I've seen news articles floating around that state hospitals get fed money for treating covid patients.
Going back to my rant/ take on models...can we trust the numbers? We have a member here who has said COVID-related deaths at his hospital are underreported and then your anecdote about a hospital reaching to make the connection. I don't doubt either one of you, but it makes me doubt the numbers, the damn models that have driven some of the policies and decisions. If you can't trust the message, how can you trust the decisions and solutions?
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You can trust the excess death numbers. And they're huge in some locations.
I feel like the numbers are extremely inflated in the US. We have no idea how many people have actually had it and that skews the entire modeling system which decisions are derived from. The recovery rate is just unknown. We'll certainly never gain herd immunity hiding from life.
https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics/diseases/covid-19/fatalities_nursing_home_acf.pdf
This shows the number of NY nursing home deaths due to confirmed and presumed cases. I'm not sure if there's a correlation of numbers to the areas they're in, but when you look at places like Albany and Erie, and then compare them to Kings, you can't tell me you don't get suspicious.
I'm dumb, so I added up those numbers. 2938 confirmed and presumed in nursing home and 2695 in adult care facilities giving us 5633 confirmed and presumed fatalities in NH and ACF. That means roughly 20% of NY state's fatalities are from these facilities.
Then you look at Albany and Monroe counties with similar pop. densities. Monroe's population is 3x that of Albany's, yet Monroe's # of fatalities doesn't even double that of Albany's and we've been told over and over that population density is driving the infection/fatality rate.
List of counties in New York - Wikipedia
3 counties with zero deaths and 11 counties with 10 or less. I can buy into some of those numbers, but 22.5% of the counties in NY state have 10 or fewer deaths?
I don't trust the numbers which means I don't trust the models and much of our response was predicated on the models. None of this accounts for people who had it and never knew or those who had it and/or died before we knew this was a thing. There are people who are far, far smarter than me on a lot of things and I have zero doubts some of the world's best minds are working on this problem, but can anyone here tell me their numbers can be trusted? If we can't trust the data, we can't trust the response. This isn't "just the flu" but is it "wreck the planet?"
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I don't buy the number of presumed covid related deaths. Using Albany as a baseline, they are either under reporting or just very responsible by ruling out things they cannot confirm. Other counties don't appear to be doing that. At what point do you just say we've done what we can, now it's time to save livelihoods? Sorry, but in economics, human life does have a price and it's used everyday in healthcare, of all things. Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com
You'd think politicians would care this much about the 500k smoking deaths each year in the US, but we're worried about this? I'm sorry, but if corona catches those 16 million people with a smoking caused disease, it's not corona that killed them, it's poor choices. Moral disengagement would consider that to be something like...slow suicide.
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If Harry Stamper was in charge, he'd throw the models out, use his gut, and just keep drilling. #hero #rememberharry
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When we look at NY, this isn't me getting mad or political. Cuomo has "blood on his hands". Under his policies, he forced nursing homes to take in infected patients. So you had nursing homes that had ZERO cases out there end up with 25% of their patients dead. Nursing homes aren't hospitals, they're not built for isolation and triage.
Then you add to the fact that they were late as hell with implementing any social distancing policies, if I look at the timelines they had a massive outbreak before anything was done across the state or in the city. The Subway was kept open and the outbreak continued.
Then let's add the narratives that the media are jumping into to just play gotcha on the President or a governor. For example Texas had a spike in positive cases, but when you examine the numbers themselves, as a percentage of total tests done their positive rate continues to decline. So of course we'll see a spike in some areas as we begin "testing everyone". Our capacity is at almost 400k tests administered per day.
Then you add to the fact that they were late as hell with implementing any social distancing policies, if I look at the timelines they had a massive outbreak before anything was done across the state or in the city. The Subway was kept open and the outbreak continued.
Then let's add the narratives that the media are jumping into to just play gotcha on the President or a governor. For example Texas had a spike in positive cases, but when you examine the numbers themselves, as a percentage of total tests done their positive rate continues to decline. So of course we'll see a spike in some areas as we begin "testing everyone". Our capacity is at almost 400k tests administered per day.
