All I know for a fact about COVID-19 is that it is now a political weapon. I no longer believe anything about it and am tired of seeing *my* nation look and live like a herd of sheep being controlled by its many masters.
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Except those 16 million people would have been living until they caught the corona; almost like it played a large factor in why they died. A cause of death with related factors, if you will.
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A very underrated point!
Our response to COVID-19 and the precedent it has set is now a serious concern.
What "next thing" will come along that drives a response that is "in the public's best interest"?
What other "problems" could be solved by a similar response?
As @Grunt stated earlier, it's become a political weapon. That's not to suggest the virus isn't serious, it is, but there are a lot of serious things "in the wild".
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15% of the county's counties had 50% of the cases.
All the mitigation measures were based on the urban populations, and not developed for rural areas.
Likewise, most cases can be traced back to NYC.
All the mitigation measures were based on the urban populations, and not developed for rural areas.
Likewise, most cases can be traced back to NYC.
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The bigger issue I have with all this is after 2+ months, there is still no detailed plan at the federal, state, or local level to protect at risk populations. It's not even a talking point. This is day 1, week 1 shit.
Remember, the shut downs were primarily sold as a response to allow hospitals to staff up and stock up for the inevitable hoards that would overwhelm them. Instead, we're talking about which businesses can open and which can't. It's all tantamount to arranging the flowers out front while the house is on fire.
My mother in law is high risk, she keeps herself quarantined. Didn't need the government to tell her.
NY, aka: the government, wiped out nursing homes by putting positives into nursing homes.
Are you sure government is the answer?
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I don't need to answer this, right?
I'm certain the government isn't the answer, at least not on their own. However, it can play a role in gathering quality, standardized data that can help inform. They also have a space in ensuring accountability for those that do require assisted care as well.
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I don't need to answer this, right?
I'm certain the government isn't the answer, at least not on their own. However, it can play a role in gathering quality, standardized data that can help inform. They also have a space in ensuring accountability for those that do require assisted care as well.
Along with WHO, the CDC has lost some credibility. HHS still has some (credibility) but when is it going to be seen as another WHO? Right now most people will tell .gov to piss up a rope with trying to ensure accountability. They have lost the public's trust.
Our organization told the state and feds to piss off and started making its' own models, with which we've had a much better accuracy (since its limited to our area and institution only).
Right now the line "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" is a very cold comfort.
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Agree, wholeheartedly.
However, a key problem is one of standardization. When each state/municipality has it's own set of coding rules and regulations, it makes overall evaluation of things very difficult and costly. It's one of the contributors to high healthcare costs.
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Oh, I know it.
COVID-specific are the municipality, county, and state restrictions, often all three are different. The problem is (which I addressed in another post), no one knows who to believe because none of them are explaining why they are mandating what they mandate. They essentially say, "because I said so, that's why."
Vaccine going into testing.
Health Canada approves first clinical trial for potential COVID-19 vaccine
Health Canada approves first clinical trial for potential COVID-19 vaccine
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They keep telling me about the second wave, why do they keep saying that is a thing. Let's just be real, we're in the third (or fourth?) wave. And the rural states that didn't shut down have less issues!
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Is this an opinion, or do you have something for that?
I know we've seen some possibilities that it was here prior to January; but we can also just simply look and see that even if it was here in December, it wasn't as widespread until late-February/early-March. (I'm just guesstimating with when it started surging officially, but I think it was around these timeframes)
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As @AWP says: the models are all bullshit.
Honestly, none of the "experts" know when this landed. I've posted articles showing the blood cultures from 2019 being tested in this thread. In Snohomish county they had at least 2 infections in December. I've posted (or I think I did) the article of the French doctor testing blood samples from December and they're finding a lot of cases.
Game theory or conspiracy theory, we have no idea when the Chinese patient zero actually was. This thing could have started last summer and the West finds out about it when they can no longer hide it (just like with SARS). My gut tells me that we're in the second wave. Given how many people whom have been confirmed with the virus compared to how many have been tested (and most people can't get access to a test unless they show symptoms). We've already established a level of herd immunity. But unlike with SARS we're now stuck with this, or we're not and it just goes away.
Then we look at the susceptibility study that I've also posted. Exposure =/= infection. Certain populations are more susceptible to infection.
In effect, I don't know, and neither do the "experts".
It seems to me ,the way a state or area will go depends solely on your states political party Republicans want to open and move on Democratic party wants to stay shutout till everyone's depending on them ,,, idk ..." just try to watch what your stepping in" I've always thought the best course of action is the one I've decided after sorting out the facts regardless of what I was told,,,If the cops are gonna be stupid...I guess people will waste their time.
I saw that. We've been pushing a lot of bad recommendations based on political affiliation. Fauci puts out guidance that says exercise supports immune health. Gov Doug Ducey encourages people to get outside and enjoy the state parks, then the democratic mayor of phoenix seeths and froths and has city trails closed down.
I for one would like to see a massive effort to aid those in the susceptible populations with masks, home care, food, etc. and let the rest of the country go on about their business. When they first tested the homeless in Boston area, then the Stanford random population study, then almost ALL the prisoners and staff at Ohio's penitentiaries...ASYMPTOMATIC ALL...then it was time to look at putting the effort towards those over 65 (mostly retired), compromised immune systems (?? maybe 1-5% of the population??).
We loose 30-40k anually to the flu. As bad as this is, it's not doomsday worthy.
We loose 30-40k anually to the flu. As bad as this is, it's not doomsday worthy.
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