Covid-19
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I find it frustrating that the government and media continue to lead reports with this virtually meaningless running total of cases. That's just as disingenuous.
What matters in terms of management and how we move forward is the number of active cases at a given day and how that compares against the level of current hospitalizations and deaths. That's a significantly better measure of impact and effectiveness. But, of course, in doing so one can't produce a graph with a steep, exponentially increasing line of doom.
We’re going to clear 100,000 deaths by the end of the week. Can we safely say that the model is “Shit’s fucked”?
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There has to be something you guys can do with your excess barley. Like at @DA SWO said China will come crawling back to you, make them pay a premium for making you sit on that grain. Or... you can repurposed that barley into something you guys can use nationally like @ThunderHorse said. Might be able to create new industries that benefit you guys as a nation instead of those commies.
Also, be weary if you see upticks in grain buys from Chicom affiliated or 3rd party countries. That'll be the Chicoms trying to skirt their rules to screw over your farmers. The need for that barley is still gonna be there; so expect those Chicom fucks to skirt those rules, via third parties, to fill their needs. The CCP likes to make bullshit rules, but they sure as shit don't play by them.
China needs the world and they'll happily slit your throat to get at your resources. Fuck em.
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We'd better get busy dying because the model 2 weeks ago had deaths doubling by end of the month...
This, despite the fact that daily hospitalization and death figures remain virtually flat. To add to this, in MN 80% of deaths continue to occur with populations located in assisted care facilities.
This, despite the fact that daily hospitalization and death figures remain virtually flat. To add to this, in MN 80% of deaths continue to occur with populations located in assisted care facilities.
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Chinese province back in lockdown as new coronavirus cases surface
The crazy thing about all this shit is we will never actually know how many Chinese have died from this thing.
The crazy thing about all this shit is we will never actually know how many Chinese have died from this thing.
At least it shows consistency.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...494ad4-947f-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...494ad4-947f-11ea-87a3-22d324235636_story.html
It's for the troops! ;)
Defense Department Designates Strippers, Pawn Shops, Used Car Dealers “Essential Personnel”
Defense Department Designates Strippers, Pawn Shops, Used Car Dealers “Essential Personnel”
FORT BRAGG, NC — In a move that really surprised no one, the Department of Defense has added strippers, pawn shops, and used car dealers to the list of professional services deemed “essential,” to which troops will be able to have unfettered access, even in states where restrictive “shelter in place” measures exist.
To be honest, we’re really just surprised that it took this long.
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Well someone has to keep the economy going!
I find it ironic that a group of failed elected politicians who can't pass a good legitimate budget or run our country can dictate to me -- or us -- what or who is deemed "Essential." Hahahaha....those people are nuts....
For the COVID-19 Gestapo 911 callers.
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Today I received an invite from a very good friend in regards to staying at their cabin this weekend.
I accepted. Moments later I received this.
We will have some rules. You are not allowed to touch anything in the kitchen area (sink, fridge, micro, etc).
You have exclusive use of the bsmt BR and bathroom. There will be hand sanitizer at the front & back doors and we will all use it whrn going thru those doors. Masks must be worn by everyone inside if we are sharing the same small space.
No mask req'd outside so long as 6' distance is maintained. I think we can manage it in a way that we can be safe and still enjoy being here.
I sent a note back and politely declined the invite letting them know I would look forward to seeing them when they felt more comfortable having guests in their lakehome.
I accepted. Moments later I received this.
We will have some rules. You are not allowed to touch anything in the kitchen area (sink, fridge, micro, etc).
You have exclusive use of the bsmt BR and bathroom. There will be hand sanitizer at the front & back doors and we will all use it whrn going thru those doors. Masks must be worn by everyone inside if we are sharing the same small space.
No mask req'd outside so long as 6' distance is maintained. I think we can manage it in a way that we can be safe and still enjoy being here.
I sent a note back and politely declined the invite letting them know I would look forward to seeing them when they felt more comfortable having guests in their lakehome.
Spot on response.
We have a rule here that if you've been outside you have to wash your hands, but that's about it. We all have masks (coworker made them for us) but I've only worn my once at the request of the customer...fair enough, they were elderly. I only ask people to use common sense around me.
Long story short, life has fucking risk. If you're healthy, you can hang. If you''re a fucking plague rat, stay the fuck home.
Your response was better than mine would have been.
Sorry, I'll have to decline. Blow me with your "rules".
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As restaurants re-open in Minnesota, it was announced yesterday that reservations were required.
Odd? Well this was done so that the Govt has a papertrail record of who ate there and when for tracking purposes. I'd like to introduce myself, Bob Berditzmen. Good to meet you!
Odd? Well this was done so that the Govt has a papertrail record of who ate there and when for tracking purposes. I'd like to introduce myself, Bob Berditzmen. Good to meet you!
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Doctors on the Theodore Roosevelt Feared Dozens Would Die in Coronavirus Outbreak
WASHINGTON—Four doctors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt warned in a memo to Navy medical officials in March that dozens of sailors would die of Covid-19 if the entire aircraft carrier weren’t evacuated within 10 days, mirroring the urgency voiced at the same time by its commander.
“The only solution to save the lives of sailors is to immediately get everyone off the ship into appropriate isolation or quarantine,” the March 30 memo said, according to a copy of the document reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. “There is no other option.”
The medical team’s warning, the details of which haven’t previously been reported, indicated that there was a “high probability” that up to 1% of the roughly 4,800-member crew—or “50 or more” sailors—could die, and that hundreds of sailors would fall ill. The limited medical facilities on Guam, where the ship by then had docked to offload sailors sickened with Covid-19, would soon be overwhelmed, the doctors wrote.
“We will not stand by while our fellow sailors continue to be exposed to this fatal virus,” the memo said. “The time has come for aggressive measures to be taken and we are asking for your help.”
The memo, sent to the Navy’s surgeon general and a group of other naval medical personnel, ended with a threat to go public with their concerns if Navy officials didn’t move faster to fix the problem.
The medical team’s memo adds a new wrinkle to an episode that has deeply affected the Navy, resulting in the removal of the ship’s commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, for writing and distributing his own memo about the outbreak, and the resignation days later of the man who fired him, acting Navy Secretary Tom Modly, all while hundreds of sailors became ill.
Navy officials have said they were moving to address the outbreak and send aid to the vessel. But the doctors’ concerns as portrayed in the memo show that Capt. Crozier wasn’t alone in thinking that the Navy needed to act faster to help the ship and its crew.
A report from a continuing investigation, expected to be released in the next week, will address issues surrounding the outbreak, the firing of Capt. Crozier, and what the Navy did or didn’t do as the Roosevelt’s crew faced the crisis. That investigation is also examining senior naval officers serving above Capt. Crozier in the chain of command, officials said.
On Wednesday, the aircraft carrier left Guam after docking there for nearly two months because of the Covid-19 outbreak. On board were about 3,300 of its crew members, defense officials said. Some remained behind in Guam because of health issues related to the disease, with many staying ashore because the ship’s cramped living quarters prevent proper social distancing.
In the past week, at least 14 crew members who had reboarded the ship in preparation for its departure from Guam tested positive for the virus, Navy officials said. Navy officials declined to disclose the destination of the ship, whose home port is San Diego.
The views expressed in the one-page medical memo, summing up an air of urgency aboard the carrier at the onset of the outbreak, in part prompted Capt. Crozier to write his own memo, sent to senior Navy leaders about the same time. Capt. Crozier’s memo became the subject of news reports, leading to his removal. The warning that 50 sailors could die was reported by the New York Times in April.
The medical team’s memo, signed by the ship’s chief medical officer and three other doctors aboard the ship—a general practitioner and two surgeons—plus a physical therapist, was sent to the Navy surgeon general and other naval personnel on March 30.
During the time both the ship’s commander and his medical officers were writing their respective memos, the Navy was making preparations on Guam to offload the crew, Navy officials have said. That included reopening restaurants and hotels that had been shuttered due to coronavirus and finding transportation to get the crew off the ship and to accommodations where they could quarantine. Military medical personnel had been flown from Okinawa, Japan, to help assist the crew.
Rear Adm. Bruce Gillingham, the Navy surgeon general to whom the doctors’ memo was addressed, replied the same day in an attempt to assure the doctors that the Navy was trying to accommodate the sailors, officials said, and urged them to remain within the chain of command and not release the letter to the public.
The Navy declined to comment about the memo, citing its continuing investigation.
Capt. Brett Crozier was cheered by fellow sailors as he disembarked the coronavirus-stricken USS Theodore Roosevelt. He was relieved of duty April 2 after his superiors said he had lost his ability to lead. Photo: Zuma Press (Originally published April 3, 2020)
Crew members have said that fears about an outbreak erupted after the carrier completed a five-day port call in Vietnam in early March, although officials have said the virus may have been brought on board by air crews.
After the memo written by Capt. Crozier became the subject of media reports, Mr. Modly, then the acting Navy secretary, fired Capt. Crozier, saying he had lost trust and confidence in the captain.
Mr. Modly resigned just days later, following a backlash over his address to aircraft-carrier crew members over the ship’s public-address system. The White House then replaced Mr. Modly with James McPherson, the Army’s undersecretary. While an initial Navy investigation recommended that Capt. Crozier be reinstated, Mr. McPherson ordered the subsequent investigation now under way.
In all, 1,178 sailors across the Navy currently are infected with the virus, according to the latest Navy statistics. They are among 2,298 sailors who have contracted coronavirus in recent months. More than half of the Navy’s cases originated on USS Theodore Roosevelt.
“The only solution to save the lives of sailors is to immediately get everyone off the ship into appropriate isolation or quarantine,” the March 30 memo said, according to a copy of the document reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. “There is no other option.”
The medical team’s warning, the details of which haven’t previously been reported, indicated that there was a “high probability” that up to 1% of the roughly 4,800-member crew—or “50 or more” sailors—could die, and that hundreds of sailors would fall ill. The limited medical facilities on Guam, where the ship by then had docked to offload sailors sickened with Covid-19, would soon be overwhelmed, the doctors wrote.
“We will not stand by while our fellow sailors continue to be exposed to this fatal virus,” the memo said. “The time has come for aggressive measures to be taken and we are asking for your help.”
The memo, sent to the Navy’s surgeon general and a group of other naval medical personnel, ended with a threat to go public with their concerns if Navy officials didn’t move faster to fix the problem.
The medical team’s memo adds a new wrinkle to an episode that has deeply affected the Navy, resulting in the removal of the ship’s commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, for writing and distributing his own memo about the outbreak, and the resignation days later of the man who fired him, acting Navy Secretary Tom Modly, all while hundreds of sailors became ill.
Navy officials have said they were moving to address the outbreak and send aid to the vessel. But the doctors’ concerns as portrayed in the memo show that Capt. Crozier wasn’t alone in thinking that the Navy needed to act faster to help the ship and its crew.
A report from a continuing investigation, expected to be released in the next week, will address issues surrounding the outbreak, the firing of Capt. Crozier, and what the Navy did or didn’t do as the Roosevelt’s crew faced the crisis. That investigation is also examining senior naval officers serving above Capt. Crozier in the chain of command, officials said.
On Wednesday, the aircraft carrier left Guam after docking there for nearly two months because of the Covid-19 outbreak. On board were about 3,300 of its crew members, defense officials said. Some remained behind in Guam because of health issues related to the disease, with many staying ashore because the ship’s cramped living quarters prevent proper social distancing.
In the past week, at least 14 crew members who had reboarded the ship in preparation for its departure from Guam tested positive for the virus, Navy officials said. Navy officials declined to disclose the destination of the ship, whose home port is San Diego.
The views expressed in the one-page medical memo, summing up an air of urgency aboard the carrier at the onset of the outbreak, in part prompted Capt. Crozier to write his own memo, sent to senior Navy leaders about the same time. Capt. Crozier’s memo became the subject of news reports, leading to his removal. The warning that 50 sailors could die was reported by the New York Times in April.
The medical team’s memo, signed by the ship’s chief medical officer and three other doctors aboard the ship—a general practitioner and two surgeons—plus a physical therapist, was sent to the Navy surgeon general and other naval personnel on March 30.
During the time both the ship’s commander and his medical officers were writing their respective memos, the Navy was making preparations on Guam to offload the crew, Navy officials have said. That included reopening restaurants and hotels that had been shuttered due to coronavirus and finding transportation to get the crew off the ship and to accommodations where they could quarantine. Military medical personnel had been flown from Okinawa, Japan, to help assist the crew.
Rear Adm. Bruce Gillingham, the Navy surgeon general to whom the doctors’ memo was addressed, replied the same day in an attempt to assure the doctors that the Navy was trying to accommodate the sailors, officials said, and urged them to remain within the chain of command and not release the letter to the public.
The Navy declined to comment about the memo, citing its continuing investigation.
Capt. Brett Crozier was cheered by fellow sailors as he disembarked the coronavirus-stricken USS Theodore Roosevelt. He was relieved of duty April 2 after his superiors said he had lost his ability to lead. Photo: Zuma Press (Originally published April 3, 2020)
Crew members have said that fears about an outbreak erupted after the carrier completed a five-day port call in Vietnam in early March, although officials have said the virus may have been brought on board by air crews.
After the memo written by Capt. Crozier became the subject of media reports, Mr. Modly, then the acting Navy secretary, fired Capt. Crozier, saying he had lost trust and confidence in the captain.
Mr. Modly resigned just days later, following a backlash over his address to aircraft-carrier crew members over the ship’s public-address system. The White House then replaced Mr. Modly with James McPherson, the Army’s undersecretary. While an initial Navy investigation recommended that Capt. Crozier be reinstated, Mr. McPherson ordered the subsequent investigation now under way.
In all, 1,178 sailors across the Navy currently are infected with the virus, according to the latest Navy statistics. They are among 2,298 sailors who have contracted coronavirus in recent months. More than half of the Navy’s cases originated on USS Theodore Roosevelt.
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I have to make reservations for the pool...
