Covid-19

RackMaster said:
Inside medical facilities is one thing, they have all the appropriate PPE and training. But then putting aside all knowledge of said training and cherry picking reports to push public policy that ignores a major form of transmission. That's irrational. The masses are scared, because they've been told to he scared and now we need them to interact with other's. People were going to demand mask's but are not going to question the difference between a bandana and a respirator. If everyone demanded respirators, then we'd have another shortage.


Global experts: Ignoring airborne COVID spread risky
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To add to this point, you've got a shit ton of people running around that don't know how to wear a mask correctly. Some have their nose hanging out, which is the equivalent of wearing a condom but cutting the tip off it. I've even seen some remove their mask to cough or sneeze! Now, tell me why the hell you're even wasting your time if you're going to do that?!
 
Blizzard said:
To add to this point, you've got a shit ton of people running around that don't know how to wear a mask correctly. Some have their nose hanging out, which is the equivalent of wearing a condom but cutting the tip off it. I've even seen some remove their mask to cough or sneeze! Now, tell me why the hell you're even wasting your time if you're going to do that?!
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Or pulling them down past their chin or away from their face to talk on their phone. Plus now that they have a "mask" on, they put aside all social distancing and get right in your face.
 
At least you guys have some more rational minds than the ones in my house. My father is still Monday Morning Quarterbacking the whole thing saying that we needed to have a complete and total shutdown of all travel of persons for the first two weeks and then everything will be back to normal by now. He's a doctor and a control freak so this pandemic is literally hitting him in all the trigger points right now. Let's not talk about his new solution which is to lock down until vaccine because they didn't listen to "his advice."
 
Templar27A said:
At least you guys have some more rational minds than the ones in my house. My father is still Monday Morning Quarterbacking the whole thing saying that we needed to have a complete and total shutdown of all travel of persons for the first two weeks and then everything will be back to normal by now. He's a doctor and a control freak so this pandemic is literally hitting him in all the trigger points right now. Let's not talk about his new solution which is to lock down until vaccine because they didn't listen to "his advice."
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Honest question, I really want to know: is he going to stand in line for a vaccine? I sure as hell am not.

Government: "Let's field a vaccine which has been fast-tracked, about which we do not know of any unintentional consequences! What can go wrong?"

I have been in the military. I am naturally skeptical of being a guinea pig.
 
Devildoc said:
Honest question, I really want to know: is he going to stand in line for a vaccine? I sure as hell am not.

Government: "Let's field a vaccine which has been fast-tracked, about which we do not know of any unintentional consequences! What can go wrong?"

I have been in the military. I am naturally skeptical of being a guinea pig.
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Don't get me wrong, I love my father and I know that he's doing this kind of stuff because he is genuinely scared - not because he's power hungry.

To answer your question, he trusts doctors and I'm sure he will be first in line to get the vaccine if it becomes publicly available. He'll of course wear his N95 mask and stand in the socially distanced line for as long as possible.

Part of it is because he's a "solve the problem now we'll worry about the implications later" type of person, contrasting my mother who always wants the most elegant, perfect solution to a problem. I hope that explains why he doesn't care about the unconstitutionality of his earlier proposals.
 
Templar27A said:
Don't get me wrong, I love my father and I know that he's doing this kind of stuff because he is genuinely scared - not because he's power hungry.

To answer your question, he trusts doctors and I'm sure he will be first in line to get the vaccine if it becomes publicly available. He'll of course wear his N95 mask and stand in the socially distanced line for as long as possible.

Part of it is because he's a "solve the problem now we'll worry about the implications later" type of person, contrasting my mother who always wants the most elegant, perfect solution to a problem. I hope that explains why he doesn't care about the unconstitutionality of his earlier proposals.
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Thanks. The unconstitutionality isn't why I was asking, I was asking from the perspective of him being a physician. I know a lot of people who are clamoring for their spot in the line; oddly (or not, I suppose....) a lot of medical professionals are not in that group.

What does scare me are those "solve the problem now we'll worry about the implications later" people, especially when it comes to a vaccine that you can't uninject once it goes in. I saw this after 9/11 with smallpox; and I am convinced that some people are having long-term issues from anthrax vax as well.

Of course, the unconstitutionality of a lot of what is going on is a much wider-scoped, more far-reaching issue.
 
Yeah he doesn't see vaccine hesitancy as a legitimate argument. So any attempt to convince him otherwise will not dissuade him from giving it to us. I don't generally have a problem with it either, but it's not something that I'll have much control over in a few weeks.
 
I don't. The entirety of the media, IMO, is the shit I'd expect to find next to the gum in the checkout line of my local grocery store. At this point, I'd trust the tabloid headlines that state Brad Pitt has 4 testicles that led to a cheating scandal with Choel Moretz and Johnny Depp has been caught on the beach naked while snorting coke through his asshole.
 
Dame said:
This!

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That is a great graph! I hope it continues. The realistic outlook though is that this trend will not continue. The average length of time from getting the virus to death is somewhere around 28 days. That means that low death rate is from people who were getting the virus in May, when cases were on the way down or about 1/3-1/2 daily of what they are now. By next week we should be through with 4th of July impacts on spread, which may help slow it down some.

I do not think it is realistic to assume that with upwards of 60k people getting the virus a day, that less people will die. I sincerely hope that is the case, but it isn’t realistic. I think we should be bracing ourselves for mid August, when suddenly there are 250-500k+deaths in the US. Again, I pray that this isn’t the case...

I would hope that instead, states with high numbers like Texas and Florida, take extreme actions to curb the spread. 15k cases a day in Florida is pretty dang high. That may prove unsustainable. We could be doing so much better.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/13/coronavirus-live-updates-us/
 
Dvr55119 said:
That is a great graph! I hope it continues. The realistic outlook though is that this trend will not continue. The average length of time from getting the virus to death is somewhere around 28 days. That means that low death rate is from people who were getting the virus in May, when cases were on the way down or about 1/3-1/2 daily of what they are now. By next week we should be through with 4th of July impacts on spread, which may help slow it down some.

I do not think it is realistic to assume that with upwards of 60k people getting the virus a day, that less people will die. I sincerely hope that is the case, but it isn’t realistic. I think we should be bracing ourselves for mid August, when suddenly there are 250-500k+deaths in the US. Again, I pray that this isn’t the case...

I would hope that instead, states with high numbers like Texas and Florida, take extreme actions to curb the spread. 15k cases a day in Florida is pretty dang high. That may prove unsustainable. We could be doing so much better.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/13/coronavirus-live-updates-us/
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Spot on, it's called (graphically) the "death lag."

Also agree, not a second wave; just a continuation of what we had.
 
There is a "death lag, but if you look at the data from the CDC, we should have seen a steady "stream" of deaths based on the sheer number of cases we continued to have. But we have not.

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If Deaths lag by 20 days roughly, then we should have still kept having way beyond the number of deaths we have. A lot of the cases for testing positive are including asymptomatic people as basically anyone can seek a test now.


Purely anecdotal. I had a friend who was real sick with the "flu" in November, she's in shape, competed at IMAZ and had a horrible race. Her agency is putting all of their officers through anti-body testing and she came back positive for anti-bodies.
 

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