Covid-19

[Cookie_]

Clearly an idiot. So she doesn't want an accurate representation of mental health after 9 months working from home so that we have effectively fraudulent data apparently. That way you can have more pro-lockdown usurpation of individual rights.

Man, at least try and read stuff first before deciding people are idiots.

This is an article from July about a social media post in April, which just asked generically about working from home, unrelated to everything else being shut down.

She literally mentions everything else you keep bringing up about mental health and these lockdowns as reasons why people's mental health might be bad, which have nothing to do with working from home.

How is she an idiot for pointing out that someone trying to imply "working from home is bad for your mental health" is completely ignoring the state of the world?

 

[ThunderHorse]

Man, at least try and read stuff first before deciding people are idiots.

This is an article from July about a social media post in April, which just asked generically about working from home, unrelated to everything else being shut down.

She literally mentions everything else you keep bringing up about mental health and these lockdowns as reasons why people's mental health might be bad, which have nothing to do with working from home.

How is she an idiot for pointing out that someone trying to imply "working from home is bad for your mental health" is completely ignoring the state of the world?

No, that's not what she said at all. Her position is that because our mental health is currently so sapped that we shouldn't ask people about their mental health. So you wouldn't have accurate data when things become less fraught.

The tweet is from today and I highly doubt she read it. If anything the data would be worse because companies attempted return to office protocols and then backed off because of varying governments with poor policy.

What would be an accurate representation of the data is to have asked this either monthly or quarterly. We've now been in this for three quarters of a year and likely will head into almost a whole year in some states and even longer in places like California where the varying governments are just destroying businesses with their restrictions.

Especially as we head into the dark period of the year that the data would only be worse.

 

[Marauder06]

Germany is preparing for the worst:

https://www.thelocal.de/20201125/ge...tg_gTOObhw4nDIm9OoNZAn6GMd4emEEMdT39bbfYlTHco

Germany will extend its current coronavirus restrictions until early January unless there is a dramatic drop in infections, Chancellor Angela Merkel said Wednesday.

 

[SaintKP]

@Cookie_ @ThunderHorse @GOTWA

I don't have Business Insider so I can't speak for what the article says, however the person responding to the tweet raises a fair question. When that article was published it was during the absolute height of the BLM protests and riots across the country, and Covid was on a rampage before it turned down around September (atleast it seemed to level out some to me). July was definitely a rough month in a very rough year so far.

My questions for it though, are the employees in a state where lockdowns were enforced unless for necessary travel? What was the reasoning behind saying that working from home was detrimental to their mental health? By that I mean is being forced at home 24/7 due to mandatory lockdown by the state causal to the decrease in mental health or a correlation of it?

 

[ThunderHorse]

@Cookie_ @ThunderHorse @GOTWA

I don't have Business Insider so I can't speak for what the article says, however the person responding to the tweet raises a fair question. When that article was published it was during the absolute height of the BLM protests and riots across the country, and Covid was on a rampage before it turned down around September (atleast it seemed to level out some to me). July was definitely a rough month in a very rough year so far.

My questions for it though, are the employees in a state where lockdowns were enforced unless for necessary travel? What was the reasoning behind saying that working from home was detrimental to their mental health? By that I mean is being forced at home 24/7 due to mandatory lockdown by the state causal to the decrease in mental health or a correlation of it?

Her response to the tweet was from today at 9:11AMEST

 

[Locksteady]

@Cookie_ @ThunderHorse @GOTWA

I don't have Business Insider so I can't speak for what the article says, however the person responding to the tweet raises a fair question. When that article was published it was during the absolute height of the BLM protests and riots across the country, and Covid was on a rampage before it turned down around September (atleast it seemed to level out some to me). July was definitely a rough month in a very rough year so far.

My questions for it though, are the employees in a state where lockdowns were enforced unless for necessary travel? What was the reasoning behind saying that working from home was detrimental to their mental health? By that I mean is being forced at home 24/7 due to mandatory lockdown by the state causal to the decrease in mental health or a correlation of it?

Her tweet was within the last 12 hours as far as I am reading, so I think it should be taken in today's context.

It looks like the reason they are talking past each other is because @ThunderHorse seems focused on revealing the exacerbating negative impact of telework on mental health during the pandemic, whereas @Cookie_ seems focused on asking how it makes the woman an 'idiot' to point out that the answers now won't give an accurate reflection of whether remote working in general harms mental health outside of the context of this pandemic and the accompanying extended strain from restrictions to daily face-to-face social interactions - especially since the question was non-specific and open-ended.

However, I'm not quite sure the survey was asking for a context-less answer to the question, because most people were never required to work from home before COVID-19, and that question would have been irrelevant to most people prior to March, since the vast majority of teleworkers then did so by preference. Additionally, work at home during the pandemic has mostly been mandated alongside or after accompanying widespread restrictions on face-to-face interaction; determining whether mandatory remote work hurts mental health outside of the context of widespread restrictions on face-to-face interaction becomes next to impossible because that scenario hasn't presented itself on a wide scale.

 

[SaintKP]

Her response to the tweet was from today at 9:11AMEST

I understand that, I guess I was trying to say is that if the survey was conducted today, would the same result occur or would it be different?

However, I'm not quite sure the survey was asking for a context-less answer to the question, because most people were never required to work from home before COVID-19, and that question would have been irrelevant to most people prior to March, since the vast majority of teleworkers then did so by preference. Additionally, work at home during the pandemic has mostly been mandated alongside or after accompanying widespread restrictions on face-to-face interaction; determining whether mandatory remote work hurts mental health outside of the context of widespread restrictions on face-to-face interaction becomes next to impossible because that scenario hasn't presented itself on a wide scale.

This is what I was after.

 

[ThunderHorse]

I understand that, I guess I was trying to say is that if the survey was conducted today, would the same result occur or would it be different?

That's why I said they should conduct the survey amongst that sample again. One snapshot is not enough data, so you need multiple snapshots.

 

[AWP]

She literally mentions everything else you keep bringing up about mental health and these lockdowns as reasons why people's mental health might be bad, which have nothing to do with working from home.

Her position is that because our mental health is currently so sapped that we shouldn't ask people about their mental health.

it would be neat if we had universal health care that allowed for one's mental health...

Germany is preparing for the worst:

https://www.thelocal.de/20201125/ge...tg_gTOObhw4nDIm9OoNZAn6GMd4emEEMdT39bbfYlTHco

To be fair, if there's any nation that knows how to illegally confine an entire country, it is Germany.

 

[GOTWA]

To be fair, if there's any nation that knows how to illegally confine an entire country, it is Germany.

Hahaha. Ouch.

 

[RackMaster]

Call me skeptical.

‘Absolutely remarkable’: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe COVID-19

 

[Blizzard]

Call me skeptical.

‘Absolutely remarkable’: No one who got Moderna's vaccine in trial developed severe COVID-19

You don't need to worry, the way I hear it, by the time Canada would get a vaccine, the rest of the world will either all be vaccinated or you'll have had the virus a couple times over. Either way, they'll have worked through the kinks.

 

[Devildoc]

That's why I said they should conduct the survey amongst that sample again. One snapshot is not enough data, so you need multiple snapshots.

Literally stats 101.

My employer put out a voluntary staff survey starting back in July (I think); every week they sent you the same survey. I declined to participate. But they are following trends to assess COVID impacts on mental and physical health over time.

I have not read the data or journal articles, but it doesn't take a PhD in public health or a psychiatrist to see that their are enormous strains on mental health as a result of COVID and its' sequalae.

 

[Marauder06]

Literally stats 101.

My employer put out a voluntary staff survey starting back in July (I think); every week they sent you the same survey. I declined to participate. But they are following trends to assess COVID impacts on mental and physical health over time.

I have not read the data or journal articles, but it doesn't take a PhD in public health or a psychiatrist to see that their are enormous strains on mental health as a result of COVID and its' sequalae.

People are wired to be active and be together. Forcing people to separate and to not interact, especially to the degree that it affects livelihoods, is ruinous.

 

[Devildoc]

People are wired to be active and be together. Forcing people to separate and to not interact, especially to the degree that it affects livelihoods, is ruinous.

We homeschool, so we had zero change to our kids' school routine. But, they don't see their friends nearly as much, museums have been closed, the zoo has been closed, the mall is a no-no, so even with school chugging along as normal, the rest of the social interaction has been upended, and they feel it. So if WE can feel it, a family with traditionally-schooled kids who play sports or do clubs or activities, yeah, times a million. Me, I am generally not a social guy (I'm introverted), but I have not seen the one or two guys I usually see, and if it was not for this forum and another to which I belong, man, I would be really isolated.

 

[Blizzard]

People are wired to be active and be together. Forcing people to separate and to not interact, especially to the degree that it affects livelihoods, is ruinous.

C'mon man. What you don't understand is that people are dying! Lockdowns are necessary and, not only in your best interest, but it's for the common good. Don't you understand what sacrifice means?! Even Jesse knows:

Jesse Ventura slams non-mask wearers

 

[Ooh-Rah]

C'mon man. What you don't understand is that people are dying! Lockdowns are necessary and, not only in your best interest, but it's for the common good. Don't you understand what sacrifice means?! Even Jesse knows:

Jesse Ventura slams non-mask wearers

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Are you being sincere or sarcastic?
(sincere question)

 

[Blizzard]

Are you being sincere or sarcastic?
(sincere question)

Very sarcastic...sorry if that wasn't clear
(do you think I'd really tell @Marauder06 that he doesn't understand sacrifice?! I may be a dipshit but I'm not that big a dipshit.)

Those are typical responses I've heard. Along with kids just need to toughen up (in re: specific concerns about mental health in children).

 

[GOTWA]

People are wired to be active and be together. Forcing people to separate and to not interact, especially to the degree that it affects livelihoods, is ruinous.

I've lived a very sheltered and lonely life because of events that I let control me. It's what I've come to know. I can tell you that other people are not prepared to pull it off as well as I do, that's for sure.

 

[ThunderHorse]

So my sister, who's special needs and has a weaker immune system, had to get a test. Nasal Swab. She was told she won't have results for 3 to 5 days.

Spoke with my mother, my sister's results were negative and she has gotten over whatever she had.