The poached a doctor from the VA...
Covid-19
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Devildoc
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Well, the first 15 went fine. I will tell you the whole process was a certifiable, Mark 1 mod 0, grade A first class clusterfuck a biblical proportions. Today was supposed to be all about educating staff and a dry run for the process, instead they brought all the media and, and brought in 15 staff members to get injected, if it was not so utterly frustrating it would be comical.
I get to go back tomorrow for round two, but now that the luster is gone, the media should leave us alone, all the big wigs will be gone, and we should be injecting patients. Or employees. What the fuck ever.
I get to go back tomorrow for round two, but now that the luster is gone, the media should leave us alone, all the big wigs will be gone, and we should be injecting patients. Or employees. What the fuck ever.
The first jabs across Canada, were today as well. 3 days ago the media was pushing that the most vulnerable (LTC homes, etc.) were getting it first. Yesterday they finally properly reported that it was staff in those facilities first. First one today was a PSW in long term care. But 120,000 individuals in a country of 38 million, it's going to take some time.
Brill
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Pretty much sums it up.
I started laughing as soon as I hit play. Then I stopped because it was seriously all too true.
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Right?! It's like some people have said, the guy could've brought peace to the Middle East and he still wouldn't get credit....wait a second...
I just sort of put this together.
Donald Trump, even though braggadocious as he is, championed a vaccine for a worldwide pandemic that killed hundreds of thousands. His own people laughed at him. That vaccine, in hyper-production and a literal scientific miracle (for how fast it was produced) hit the streets today. People at my base are receiving this. Today.
An American president quite possibly saved the world through policy, and it was a policy that was lambasted and resisted by the media.
(I fully accept you need to accept COVID is deadly, and yadda yadda yadda).
But seriously. Donald J. Trump's WARP SPEED vaccine will be the answer to a global pandemic, and without WARP SPEED, tens of millions maybe hundreds of millions may have died.
And he did it in a year.
If you somehow stand against this contention, and I mean this for all humanity- eat a bag of dicks. Those are the facts.
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Now a serious question. Do you think Joe Biden would've done the same?
I don't ask that intentionally as a pro-Trump or anti-Biden statement. Rather, I ask it due to their position and fundamental differences in philosophies/viewpoints; they are or will be the "leaders of the free world" and their views on this issue are nearly polar opposite.
I'll tell you, I don't think this would've happened nearly this quickly under Biden. We'd probably be looking at that 18 - 24 month minimum.
Optimism is a tremendous force multiplier. Leaders need to challenge to achieve the impossible; remove barriers and let 'em fly. For all his flaws, and there are many, Trump does this, perhaps even sometimes to a fault. So, what's the alternative?
Biden is already looking to implement nationwide lock down and mask policy for at least100 days as soon as he takes office. Why? Is his decision based on facts or data? He'll say it is but, really, it's not. The approach is one driven from fear, a need to control, and a need to appear as though meaningful action is taking place. However, it's a facade; the realities of this are simply ignored. It ultimately leads to paralysis at many levels. Frankly, it's kind of a defeatist mindset.
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I was just looking at COVID reported cases by country. Is there ANYONE, aside from some in the press, that actually believe China still only has ~86,000 cases? That's just absurd.
It's been stated in this thread numerous times by many, but these numbers are just completely whack:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 73,202,281 Cases and 1,628,238 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer (worldometers.info)
Clearly many have stopped reporting or just don't know what they're doing when it comes to reporting (I include the U.S. in that statement as there are clear disparities between states).
It's been stated in this thread numerous times by many, but these numbers are just completely whack:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 73,202,281 Cases and 1,628,238 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer (worldometers.info)
Clearly many have stopped reporting or just don't know what they're doing when it comes to reporting (I include the U.S. in that statement as there are clear disparities between states).
I just got off the phone with Darth Soros. You need to turn in your Liberal card.
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I'm a firm believer that you can't truly judge a president until 10 or so years out of office have passed.
When the emotion wears off and time heals some wounds, I wonder how Trump will be perceived?
Brill
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No but I don’t think Trump did “it” other than be an executive who set his team up with success by choosing the right people, trusting them, removing all roadblocks (regulations), and, as the executive, was ready to manage risk and deal with the negative consequences.
Biden’s been in politics too long (damn near all of my life) and doesn’t have the experience to lead but rather decision by consensus (diffuse blowback if things go wrong). Hell, he wanted more confirmation to launch the UBL raid, according to his own stories.
Harris in the seat? I’m afraid she’ll make Obama look like a Reagan conservative.
Like him or hate him, Trump has had unbelievable success as a President despite being faced with unprecedented opposition from “allies” and enemies alike. Like WARPED SPEED, he was ridiculed early on as being racist and science denier. Pelosi was inviting people to Chinatown and Harris stated she would not get the vaccine.
It‘s ridiculous that reducing COVID’s impact is political but isn’t everything now?
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I think it is reasonable to expect that any leader who didn't downplay the seriousness of the virus and delay an administrative response to it to the extent that POTUS did not only would have supported any measures (like Operation Warp Speed) to speed up vaccine development, but also subsequently could have gotten the initiative off the ground even earlier due to just that.
In spite of the name of the program, the people conducting it have been nothing but deliberative and careful in the whole process, as stated by Dr. Fauci himself, and there is no evidence to suggest that Biden (or most other leaders) wouldn't have placed at least as much trust (if not more, considering the way POTUS has repeatedly slammed leaders of his own COVID-19 task force) in the task force members' ability to do their jobs.
Additionally, there isn't a mutual exclusivity to supporting speeding up vaccine development measures and encouraging local and state-level efforts towards comprehensive mask-wearing, and I think the attitude that Biden somehow wouldn't have 'done the same' (i.e. support an initiative to ramp up vaccine development efforts) based on his 100-day plan requires this kind of logic in order to even be considerable.
Take it from the guy running Operation Warp Speed - someone who also shares Biden's 'defeatist' mindset.
Trump vaccine czar endorses Biden's 100-day mask plan
Devildoc
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That's a dangerous game to play. Had Trump been told on day 1 the seriousness of the virus his entire administration would have pivoted and brought the nation's resources to bear.
Coulda/shoulda/woulda, who knows who would have done what.
But I think it's fair that if we're gonna lay blame (culpability) at Trump's feet for the administration's fuck-ups, gotta give him/his team kudos when they do something "right".
Coulda/shoulda/woulda, who knows who would have done what.
But I think it's fair that if we're gonna lay blame (culpability) at Trump's feet for the administration's fuck-ups, gotta give him/his team kudos when they do something "right".
Pfizer = Good
Moderna = Better
??? = Best
I'd rather take this than Pfizer at this point.
Moderna vaccine appears to protect against coronavirus infection
Moderna = Better
??? = Best
I'd rather take this than Pfizer at this point.
Moderna vaccine appears to protect against coronavirus infection
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Agreed re: how @Blizzard framed his question, and fun to entertain.
ThunderHorse
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Generally speaking. We've discussed this. The POTUS handled this how you would handle this whole thing. We've gone over this multiple times. The Chinese Data is completely fake all over the place. Given how infectious this was, there's not a chance in hell it wasn't rampaging in the Summer of 2019 and being hidden. If we knew actual numbers from China very early, or if China had responded to the same level they responded to SARS-COV-1 (yes they hid shit then too) then it would have been contained in CHINA.
Seriously, no Western Nation knew how contagious this virus was or how deadly. But considering the recovery rate continues to climb across all demographics I still don't understand why we're fucking our economies.
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Different subject, courts continuing judicial review of state mandates.
Supreme Court sides with Colorado church challenging Covid capacity limits
Seriously, no Western Nation knew how contagious this virus was or how deadly. But considering the recovery rate continues to climb across all demographics I still don't understand why we're fucking our economies.
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Different subject, courts continuing judicial review of state mandates.
Supreme Court sides with Colorado church challenging Covid capacity limits
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I tend to agree with my equine-mounted friend @ThunderHorse on this one.
I will say though, two things can be true at the same time- his tweets were garbage and hurt the nation/office of the Presidency, @lindy . Disgraceful. Let's not downplay his bullshit that he insisted on baking into every single aspect of his presidency.
I will say though, two things can be true at the same time- his tweets were garbage and hurt the nation/office of the Presidency, @lindy . Disgraceful. Let's not downplay his bullshit that he insisted on baking into every single aspect of his presidency.
Brill
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Fully agree with you but I also think the "intelligence" that supported POTUS being a Russian asset had much more impact on the entire country for at least 3 years and, in my opinion, that damage was not isolated to one office but all of US.
I agree that Trump's tweets hurt but the actions of his some of his own executive branch subordinates had a significantly deeper and long lasting effect on the nation. In 2022, we will not be talking about Trump's tweets but we will be talking about political intelligence, "dirty tricks", FISA, distrust of FBI, etc long after.
