Covid-19

[amlove21]

Fully agree with you but I also think the "intelligence" that supported POTUS being a Russian asset had much more impact on the entire country for at least 3 years and, in my opinion, that damage was not isolated to one office but all of US.

I agree that Trump's tweets hurt but the actions of his some of his own executive branch subordinates had a significantly deeper and long lasting effect on the nation. In 2022, we will not be talking about Trump's tweets but we will be talking about political intelligence, "dirty tricks", FISA, distrust of FBI, etc long after.

I mean, you don’t have to sell me on the entire system being a dumpster fire. I’ve been saying it for months. But that wasn’t the context of my comment.

I’m all for giving the pres his props when due. But his individual actions and decisions while president irreparably and permanently damaged/changed The American presidency.

Now, you can blame the rest of what you mentioned on whatever nebulous group of (assuming) left leaning ne’er dowels all you’d like. I’m happy to agree those situations are also garbage.

But Donald J. Trump, Mr “Grab em by the pussy” himself runs his Twitter account. He owns the damage that he’s done and no amount of saying “BuT hE wAs AlWaYs ReSpOnDiNg To PeOplE bEiNg UnFaIr To HiM.” washes that away.

They shot Reagan. He managed, somehow, to not act like a fucking baby.

Edit cause phone*

 

[Brill]

I mean, you don’t have to sell me on the entire system being a dumpster fire. I’ve been saying it for months. But that wasn’t the context of my comment.

I’m all for giving the pres his props when due. But his individual actions and decisions while president irreparably and permanently damaged/changed The American presidency.

Now, you can blame the rest of what you mentioned on whatever nebulous group of (assuming) left leaning ne’er dowels all you’d like. I’m happy to agree those situations are also garbage.

But Donald J. Trump, Mr “Grab em by the pussy” himself runs his Twitter account. He owns the damage that he’s done and no amount of saying “BuT hE wAs AlWaYs ReSpOnDiNg To PeOplE bEiNg UnFaIr To HiM.” washes that away.

They shot Reagan. He managed, somehow, to not act like a fucking baby.

Edit cause phone*

His tweets are crass for sure but they don't bother me.

 

[amlove21]

His tweets are crass for sure but they don't bother me.

All good.

Just to avoid further derail (we got close there), back to the disease so deadly, you have to take a test in order to even find out if you have it.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Alright, I'm gonna start throwing hands at these idiot doctors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338912921632600066

I thought the whole point of vaccine was to allow me to return to you know, living? But you have twerps telling people on national fucking tv to continue to cower in fear.

 

[amlove21]

This very thing is causing a lot of heartache here.

A lot of our dudes are considering getting the vaccine because that means, no more masks, no more reindeer games, right?

Absolutely not. the current vaccine only blunts the severity of the disease if contracted- it doesn't prevent you from getting/passing.

Our flight doc laid this out in a leadership brief and everyone collectively lost their shit. As stated earlier, I believe the Moderna vaccine stops transmission/contraction.

 

[Locksteady]

Alright, I'm gonna start throwing hands at these idiot doctors.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1338912921632600066

I thought the whole point of vaccine was to allow me to return to you know, living? But you have twerps telling people on national fucking tv to continue to cower in fear.

To answer your question, the vaccine the Trump administration broke records to put out before the year ended was never tested for its ability to prevent contraction and spread, despite behind able to prevent the symptoms in vaccinated people.

Why a vaccine doesn't mean that you can stop wearing a mask

 

[ThunderHorse]

This very thing is causing a lot of heartache here.

A lot of our dudes are considering getting the vaccine because that means, no more masks, no more reindeer games, right?

Absolutely not. the current vaccine only blunts the severity of the disease if contracted- it doesn't prevent you from getting/passing.

Our flight doc laid this out in a leadership brief and everyone collectively lost their shit. As stated earlier, I believe the Moderna vaccine stops transmission/contraction.

So, kinda like the flu vaccine.

 

[Blizzard]

This very thing is causing a lot of heartache here.

A lot of our dudes are considering getting the vaccine because that means, no more masks, no more reindeer games, right?

Absolutely not. the current vaccine only blunts the severity of the disease if contracted- it doesn't prevent you from getting/passing.

Our flight doc laid this out in a leadership brief and everyone collectively lost their shit. As stated earlier, I believe the Moderna vaccine stops transmission/contraction.

Agree on the Moderna vaccine, based on what I've read.

It does beg the question about Pfizer though, how can their product be considered a vaccine if what you describe is true (not suggesting it isn't true)? I thought I read somewhere that Moderna and Pfizers methodologies were very similar but perhaps not.

Perhaps @Devildoc can shed some additional light?

 

[Blizzard]

So, kinda like the flu vaccine.

Well, flu vaccine protects against what is believed will be a small handful of the most prevalent strains. You can still contract one of the umpteen strains not covered.

 

[Dame]

Yeah, I'm confused. According to the CDC's site:

Vaccines: The Basics​

Vaccines contain the same germs that cause disease. (For example, measles vaccine contains measles virus, and Hib vaccine contains Hib bacteria.) But they have been either killed or weakened to the point that they don’t make you sick. Some vaccines contain only a part of the disease germ.
A vaccine stimulates your immune system to produce antibodies, exactly like it would if you were exposed to the disease. After getting vaccinated, you develop immunity to that disease, without having to get the disease first.
This is what makes vaccines such powerful medicine. Unlike most medicines, which treat or cure diseases, vaccines prevent them.

So can this really be called a vaccine? More like a treatment?

 

[ThunderHorse]

Well, flu vaccine protects against what is believed will be a small handful of the most prevalent strains. You can still contract one of the umpteen strains not covered.

I was partially being sarcastic.

 

[Brill]

...back to the disease so deadly, you have to take a test in order to even find out if you have it.

Serious question cuz you're in the medical field: what does knowledge of a positive COVID test do for medical professionals who don't present (speakin' the lingo!!!!) with symptoms?

I think I had COVID back in mid-March but it was before antibody testing was widely available (currently, the only way I know of getting a test is via blood donation via Red Cross) but I just had a nasal swab yesterday (had a high fever and need negative test to go back to work). I don't KNOW if I had COVID but assume based on timing (that's when Faucci said it would get bad and had most of the symptoms including dry cough lasting weeks).

Per CDC FAQs:
If I already had COVID, do I need the vaccine?

There is not enough information currently available to say if or for how long after infection someone is protected from getting COVID-19 again; this is called natural immunity. Early evidence suggests natural immunity from COVID-19 may not last very long, but more studies are needed to better understand this. Until we have a vaccine available and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices makes recommendations to CDC on how to best use COVID-19 vaccines, CDC cannot comment on whether people who had COVID-19 should get a COVID-19 vaccine.

Does immunity last longer than protection from the vaccine:

The protection someone gains from having an infection (called natural immunity) varies depending on the disease, and it varies from person to person. Since this virus is new, we don’t know how long natural immunity might last. Some early evidence—based on some people— seems to suggest that natural immunity may not last very long.
Regarding vaccination, we won’t know how long immunity lasts until we have a vaccine and more data on how well it works.
Both natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity are important aspects of COVID-19 that experts are trying to learn more about, and CDC will keep the public informed as new evidence becomes available.

How many people need the vaccine to establish herd immunity?

Experts do not know what percentage of people would need to get vaccinated to achieve herd immunity to COVID-19. Herd immunity is a term used to describe when enough people have protection—either from previous infection or vaccination—that it is unlikely a virus or bacteria can spread and cause disease. As a result, everyone within the community is protected even if some people don’t have any protection themselves. The percentage of people who need to have protection in order to achieve herd immunity varies by disease.

 

[Polar Bear]

Absolutely not. the current vaccine only blunts the severity of the disease if contracted- it doesn't prevent you from getting/passing.

For the love God,I wish people would get that through their thick skulls

 

[Devildoc]

The Pfizer vaccine does confer immunity; in theory you won't get it. But they do not know if you will pass it even if you have immunity, they just don't know. All of these immunizations are still under investigation, and only being offered because pushed through via emergency use authorization. The Pfizer vaccine still has two years left on the study.

And with any of them, we don't know how long the antibodies will last requiring a booster like tetanus or a yearly immunization like flu.

 

[ThunderHorse]

Anyone see this?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda...in-moderna-and-pfizer-vaccine-recipients.html

 

[amlove21]

Serious question cuz you're in the medical field: what does knowledge of a positive COVID test do for medical professionals who don't present (speakin' the lingo!!!!) with symptoms?

I am gonna defer here. I am not what we would cal an actual medical professional- we work like, zero clinical time. I haven’t worked a shift in a hospital (or EMS) for like, 2 years?

I will say from having a bunch of friends on the field- even an asymptomatic positive test gets you minimum 10, some as much as 14 days off. And I’m only speaking for Albuquerque, San Antonio, and UAB down in Bama, because that’s where my friends who are *actually* in this fight are working.

 

[Devildoc]

If you test positive, but new symptoms, you still quarantine for a period of time.

 

[AWP]

Serious question cuz you're in the medical field: what does knowledge of a positive COVID test do for medical professionals who don't present (speakin' the lingo!!!!) with symptoms?

I think I had COVID back in mid-March but it was before antibody testing was widely available (currently, the only way I know of getting a test is via blood donation via Red Cross) but I just had a nasal swab yesterday (had a high fever and need negative test to go back to work). I don't KNOW if I had COVID but assume based on timing (that's when Faucci said it would get bad and had most of the symptoms including dry cough lasting weeks).

Per CDC FAQs:
If I already had COVID, do I need the vaccine?


Does immunity last longer than protection from the vaccine:


How many people need the vaccine to establish herd immunity?

That's a lot of words to say "we have no idea what to tell you."

 

[Ooh-Rah]

I’m afraid you cannot enter if you are not wearing .... The Button.

Wear a sticker saying you got the COVID-19 vaccine? The CDC thinks it could help

 

[Board and Seize]

I’m afraid you cannot enter if you are not wearing .... The Button.

Wear a sticker saying you got the COVID-19 vaccine? The CDC thinks it could help

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