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Psaki was at least a decent spokesperson. KJP is just... bad. Like, at everything.
ThunderHorse
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Forbes reporter asked the current press secretary if the White House was trying to change the definition of a recession. Legit everyone in the White House and the general administration is Baghdad Bob.
The woman just can't talk. She consistently comes off as unprepared and her stammering and stalling don't inspire confidence in what she's saying. Time for the administration to make a change.
Politicians lying to us as always been a thing, but I really think it's gotten worse (since the last few years of Obama) because of social media.
It's not hard at all to say something like "We're coming out of a pandemic and the world basically stopping for 18+ months; there is going to be economic downturn and adjustments as it rebalances", but why bother to do that if you can just lie and idiots on Facebook/twitter/whatever will parrot the talking points? Literally most everyone in the DNC/GOP have begun to realize this and adopt it as strategy.
It's the quote attributed to Mark Twain
A lie can travel halfway round the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
They won't make a change sir. She's protected. Let's be honest, sexual orientation and race play the major role, not actual competency.
That was horrible and embarrassing for our country. Can anyone in the White House put together and communicate a single coherent thought?
There are plenty of smart and articulate Democrats in our country. "Favored demographic" or not, they need to get rid of the current spox and put someone in who can do the job.
There are not many times when I look at someone doing something and say "I could do a better job," but compared to her, I absolutely could. I could certainly string together more coherent sentences and use fewer filler words and phrases. And after several years of CI and HUMINT training I could at least lie convincingly.
That said, I wouldn't want to do it, even if it were for a regime that lined up with my political views. It's a tough job. Even tougher when you suck at it and everyone knows it.
There are not many times when I look at someone doing something and say "I could do a better job," but compared to her, I absolutely could. I could certainly string together more coherent sentences and use fewer filler words and phrases. And after several years of CI and HUMINT training I could at least lie convincingly.
That said, I wouldn't want to do it, even if it were for a regime that lined up with my political views. It's a tough job. Even tougher when you suck at it and everyone knows it.
Is it already ass eating season? I thought we were still in the middle of a drought.
R.Caerbannog
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Holy shit, lol! That is epic.
I'd have said, "It's something the marica's are spreading, don't worry about it tia. Just avoid your hairdresser 'Carlita', go see Gloria instead. Yes I know the gossip isn't as good, but some people make bad lifestyle choices. " .
Let's say... other than Tulsi Gabbard, who are these smart and articulate Dems? If you were building a team of people with policies you would support or a team that you think could help, who would that be?
I am not asking in an adversarial manner; I am truly interested to see who makes that grade with you. I try and give this question serious thought if only for one reason- I am contrarian by nature, and my default position is agnosticism and cynicism.
Meaning, there are some places where I see people say, "All republicans are fascists and homophobes!", and I enjoy talking about Ron DeSantis, Thomas Sowell, some others as a way to highlight their shitty position.
And, because I like
But I will say... I have many fewer options in that latter discussion. One, for the amount of "sane, logical" Dems I see (I know your bar was 'smart and articulate', and I respect that) is like, zero. Two, the baseline ideological platform of the left seems to not only breed but require it's members to be wayyyyyyyy left of center.
Maybe I can't see the forest for the trees on this one- but you can be as smart and articulate as you'd like while not being able to define a woman, saying men can give birth, and telling me that it's perfectly fine for an adult to have secret conversations with 6 year olds about sex, gender, and trans rights.
That doesn't make you a good person- it makes you a very adept advocate for the things listed, and in no way would I allow you to have more power to continue those endeavors.
ETA- This has nothing to do with COVID. It actually belongs in another thread we don't have anymore, I am happy to take it to PM's, Mara. Don't want to derail the atrocity that is the COVID-19 thread... but I suppose it does serve as a pretty meta example of the political nature of COVID.
ETAA (Edit to Add Again)- I just made a great point. Politics and the political nature of COVID are so closely intertwined that my original post is fine. Anyway, if any mods wanna take this down or adjust, let me know.
Devildoc
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If I wanted a good democrat with street cred to talk with people and respect boundaries and be able to talk logically, give me Jim Webb. I am very conservative in most areas, a bit libertarian in others, and I would even probably vote for him if I could....
Great choice here, Doc. I wish he was still active; I think it's *very* telling that he dropped out of politics due to his inability to deal with writ large policies of the Democratic party.
The fact that he saw where the ship was going and bounced makes me like him more. It seems his political leanings (refusing to vote/support Hillary, opening the door for a Trump vote) changed pretty considerably later in his career.
General rule of thumb seems to be that the more likely it is the average American is aware of that politician, the stupider things said politician says/does.
I'll use Colorado as an example since I live and vote here.
Which of the below politicians do you think people know, and of that group, who would you think is "smart and articulate"?
Diana DeGette, Joe Neguse, Lauren Boebert, Ken Buck, Doug Lamborn, Jason Crow, Ed Perlmutter, Michael Bennet, John Hickenlooper.
ETA: Obviously if you follow politics or are politically active in the state you might have some idea of these people, but I don't think most people do.
Well, you'll have to extend me some grace on this one. I am unsure as to how your bolded furthers the conversation or informs the question at hand. I hope you'll allow me to re-phrase/re-cage.
The whole point of the OP; "I am willing to hear who *you* think is articulate and smart, I just don't know many; please help me learn."
The interesting thing your post seems to convey is, "Given enough press and the awareness of the Average American, politicians all do increasingly stupid things commensurate with and proportional to their presence in the zeitgeist." Which is a pretty wild thought to entertain. It's like Schrödinger's superposition in politics.
"In this box, you have a politician. As long as they're completely invisible to the press and the Average American isn't aware of them, they're smart and articulate. However, the more you observe the politician, the stupider things they say/do." To follow that to it's logical conclusion- the most popular politicians say and do the dumbest things.
I tend to agree with that last sentence, although I am not sure that was your intended point.
Super fun reminder that's not meant to say anything in particular; the current head of the Democratic Party is the most popular president in the history of the United States. 81 million Average Americans are aware of him.
Brill
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Bless your heart that you think she was hired for knowledge, skills, and abilities. She possesses traits that supersede ability to perform well or at all frankly.
Intersectionality is the only thing that matters.
