Covid-19

I saw this "tracker" site. I cannot claim the validity of the data, though I *think* it skews to worst-case scenarios. You can change the state. I think what it does do though is show how the hospitalized cases (and M&M rate) can be affected by social distancing and quarantines (even if I don't like their data/methodology).

This model predicts the last day each state can act before the point of no return
 
Devildoc said:
I saw this "tracker" site. I cannot claim the validity of the data, though I *think* it skews to worst-case scenarios. You can change the state. I think what it does do though is show how the hospitalized cases (and M&M rate) can be affected by social distancing and quarantines (even if I don't like their data/methodology).

This model predicts the last day each state can act before the point of no return
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It's pretty much a worst case. I don't think a single state out there is now operating "business as usual".
 
ThunderHorse said:
It's pretty much a worst case. I don't think a single state out there is now operating "business as usual".
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I agree re: worst-case.

I see a very significant disconnect between what the Very Important People are saying, and what the people are actually doing. I took my sons to work yesterday, no change in volume at the shopping centers, the basketball courts were busy, and the soccer fields were full. People either a) have pandemic overload, b) think the risk is overstated, and/or c) don't care. Maybe a combo of all three.

It just goes to show you that the state can shut down and businesses modify hours, but people are gonna people.
 
@Devildoc yep, people get told not to do shit and they do it just because.

I posted last night some of the venues that the government ordered to close and that was “stage 1”. Among those venues were restaurants, and what did photos emerge this evening of? Restaurants not complying and still letting people dine.

Not sure what “stage 2” is but it doesn’t sound fun.
 
Devildoc said:
I agree re: worst-case.

I see a very significant disconnect between what the Very Important People are saying, and what the people are actually doing. I took my sons to work yesterday, no change in volume at the shopping centers, the basketball courts were busy, and the soccer fields were full. People either a) have pandemic overload, b) think the risk is overstated, and/or c) don't care. Maybe a combo of all three.

It just goes to show you that the state can shut down and businesses modify hours, but people are gonna people.
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Devil's Advocate:

Explain where shelter-in-place powers are enumerated in the constitution/amendments. Specifically with regards to freedom of press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, 10th amendment, etc.
 
Ranger Psych said:
Devil's Advocate:

Explain where shelter-in-place powers are enumerated in the constitution/amendments. Specifically with regards to freedom of press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, 10th amendment, etc.
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No argument from my end, Compadre.

I think it's all a very slippery slope and it makes me very nervous. That said, the data are clear with social distancing and quarantines. I just see a difference between what is said/recommended and what is done.
 
Ranger Psych said:
Explain where shelter-in-place powers are enumerated in the constitution/amendments. Specifically with regards to freedom of press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, 10th amendment, etc.
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Playing the Devil's Advocate's advocate, it could be argued that the general nature of the 10th Amendment provides sufficient latitude to state governments to impose such restrictions as shelter in place, etc...

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. "

Not saying I agree with some of these governmental edicts, but I'm pretty sure there are lawyers out there that could argue the case with some success.
 
Increasingly, I see people, myself included, getting frustrated with information and directives being provided by gov't officials and the media. There seems to be a lack or critical thinking in many areas. The result is that some of what we're being told just comes off, frankly, as a bunch of bullshit.

BTW, isn't to suggest the virus isn't serious nor does it mean precautions aren't needed; that's not my position.
 
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Scarecrow said:
@Devildoc yep, people get told not to do shit and they do it just because.

I posted last night some of the venues that the government ordered to close and that was “stage 1”. Among those venues were restaurants, and what did photos emerge this evening of? Restaurants not complying and still letting people dine.

Not sure what “stage 2” is but it doesn’t sound fun.
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There aren't enough Law Enforcement in the entire country to stop that from happening...that's why Newsom said "social enforcement."

Again...ho we've talked ourselves into voluntary martial law astounds me. But hey I guess that's why everyone and their mother went out and bought guns.
 
Devildoc said:
In an effort to get as educated as we can about what we are facing, we've been forwarded an article...from 2007...about SARS-CoV. You know what they pinged as a potential source and location? Bats, from China.

Clinical Microbiology Reviews, Oct 2007, 660-694.
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If we go back to the previous genome article I posted about SARS-COV-2. It was mapped in both Bats and Pangolins. However, based on the mutation, the one in bats was missing something in it's genetic code that the one in Pangolins had.

@Devildoc you previously talked of asymptomatic people with GI symptoms. Well guess what Pangolins eat? Guano. Bat shit is a huge portion of the pangolin diet apparently.
 
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Yea, my cousin was one of those "it is my God given freedom as an American to still go out, fuck the governor."

His buddy he went drinking with in Toledo just tested positive for it yesterday. He'll be likely fine.

My cousin's a bit more worried he's caught it, because he has an immunocompromised toddler and pregnant wife at home.

All this "playing Devil's advocate" and "I won't obey because it isn't a constitutional power" shit is going to get people killed.
 
Cookie_ said:
Yea, my cousin was one of those "it is my God given freedom as an American to still go out, fuck the governor."

His buddy he went drinking with in Toledo just tested positive for it yesterday. He'll be likely fine.

My cousin's a bit more worried he's caught it, because he has an immunocompromised toddler and pregnant wife at home.

All this "playing Devil's advocate" and "I won't obey because it isn't a constitutional power" shit is going to get people killed.
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Where's he doing his quarantine? The dog house? Your garage? The local dumpster?

That's going to hurt that relationship.

LL
 
Cookie_ said:
His parents live in the same small town and have a much larger house, so current plan is for wife and daughter to go stay with them for a week or so to see if he develops anything.
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Or so? Why not the recommended 14 days? Any way to get him tested?

I'm sorry this is happening in your family, no one needs this additional stress.

LL
 

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