Covid-19

Blizzard said:
I don't think the suggestion is to reopen "everthing"; ex. significant protections need to be in place for assisted living centers, etc.

Caution is needed when looking at cases anecdotally. The virus may be debilitating for a period of time, but by most accounts, it's mild and many recover within a week or two. Did you hear about Tom Hanks and Eita Wilson returning to LA from Aus the other day? Me neither. But I sure as shit heard all about it when they announced to the world they'd contracted it.

As I've said before, that's not to suggest this novel isn't serious. It is. However, that also doesn't mean a thoughtful, risk based approach developed from quantitative data can't be effective. It's important to explore because the secondary effects of a prolonged economic shutdown are not trivial.
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Yes. The two people I know, personally, with it are two physicians, one a MICU doc, the other, a gas-passer. The former thought it was just his allergies until he noticed a low-grade fever, and was otherwise fine. What did he do when he was quarantined at home? Yard work.

The latter admits he should have been admitted, but since he is a doc, took his chances at home. He did take an O2 tank home for his use (PRN). He can't walk from here to there without his sats dropping to the mid-80s, and has horrible wheezing and crackles. He is rebounding, but says "it's one step forward, two steps back."

So, two totally ends of the spectrum.
 
ThunderHorse said:
And it also did nothing to any of the NBA players that were infected. So, what should we be extrapolating? That people react very differently to the virus.

Does van der Burgh have underlying conditions?
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No on the underlying conditions; I highlight that to show how someone who meets almost none of the criteria for what you'd expect a "severe" case to be was waylaid by it.

But as @Devildoc alluded to, this hits many people in different ways. We don't currently have any good idea of what it entails to lump someone into a population in which this would be a low grade fever.

Does that mean only people under the age of 30 with O blood types go back to work? Does this mean we just say screw it like the Lt. Gov of Texas said and have old people go back to work to "save the economy"?
 
Cookie_ said:
No on the underlying conditions; I highlight that to show how someone who meets almost none of the criteria for what you'd expect a "severe" case to be was waylaid by it.

But as @Devildoc alluded to, this hits many people in different ways. We don't currently have any good idea of what it entails to lump someone into a population in which this would be a low grade fever.

Does that mean only people under the age of 30 with O blood types go back to work? Does this mean we just say screw it like the Lt. Gov of Texas said and have old people go back to work to "save the economy"?
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Taking a bit of a myopic view for a moment, MN has 9 deaths as of Sunday.

7 of those 9 were people in "congregate" care facilities, like assisted living.

Four of those deaths occurred yesterday. One was in their 50s with underlying health conditions. The other three people were in their 80s and 90s, with other health conditions unknown.

Before Sunday, the 5 previous deaths all involved people in their 70s and 80s with underlying health problems.

While this is a narrow snapshot, it's critical information that starts to tell a story.
 
Cookie_ said:
Does that mean only people under the age of 30 with O blood types go back to work?
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Medics gotta eat, shit, replace worn out X, repair vehicles, etc, so they can treat others so, yes: have low risk get back to work so medics can do the heavy lifting.

“Save the economy” is a talking point. We need to get back to work to enable the medical professionals to focus on their work, which is saving US.
 
lindy said:
Medics gotta eat, shit, replace worn out X, repair vehicles, etc, so they can treat others so, yes: have low risk get back to work so medics can do the heavy lifting.

“Save the economy” is a talking point. We need to get back to work to enable the medical professionals to focus on their work, which is saving US.
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Blizzard said:
Taking a bit of a myopic view for a moment, MN has 9 deaths as of Sunday.

7 of those 9 were people in "congregate" care facilities, like assisted living.

Four of those deaths occurred yesterday. One was in their 50s with underlying health conditions. The other three people were in their 80s and 90s, with other health conditions unknown.

Before Sunday, the 5 previous deaths all involved people in their 70s and 80s with underlying health problems.

While this is a narrow snapshot, it's critical information that starts to tell a story.
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We're looking at different data metrics for this. I understand the death rate is low (comparatively) for those ~50ish and under.

I'm more concerned about possible increase in hospitalization rate. That is what would truly cripple some of our systems.
From a CDC report on the 16th
Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, start highlight36%end highlight were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years. Less than 1% of hospitalizations were among persons aged ≤19 years (Figure 2). The percentage of persons hospitalized increased with age, from 2%–3% among persons aged start highlight≤19end highlight years, to ≥31% among adults aged ≥85 years.
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Assuming most workers fall between that 20-54 category, that's about 38% of hospitalized cases.

Obviously, there's probably a bunch of underlying causes that got them there; that's probably a given.

The thing is, "going back to work" for a lot of people is a very big unknown right now. What do we determine to be a risk in which someone should stay home?

Because sure, if your immunocompromised you probably shouldn't go back to work, but diabetes, obesity, and hypertension are all seeming to be risk factors as well. If we take those are serious risks, roughly half the US population should be "protected".
 
Cookie_ said:
We're looking at different data metrics for this. I understand the death rate is low (comparatively) for those ~50ish and under.

I'm more concerned about possible increase in hospitalization rate. That is what would truly cripple some of our systems.
From a CDC report on the 16th


Assuming most workers fall between that 20-54 category, that's about 38% of hospitalized cases.

Obviously, there's probably a bunch of underlying causes that got them there; that's probably a given.

The thing is, "going back to work" for a lot of people is a very big unknown right now. What do we determine to be a risk in which someone should stay home?

Because sure, if your immunocompromised you probably shouldn't go back to work, but diabetes, obesity, and hypertension are all seeming to be risk factors as well. If we take those are serious risks, roughly half the US population should be "protected".
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Again, a bit anecdotal but here's numbers from MN which, as of yesterday, has 503 confirmed cases.

Details about the 503:

* 252 no longer need to be isolated (I assume this means recovered?)

* at least 21 are residents of long-term care facilities and 11 are health care workers who work in those centers

* 39 current cases require hospitalization. Of those:
- 16 were in ICU with treatment for respiratory illness
- 23 required non-intensive hospital care

Again, all of this starts to tell a story. It provides perspective and context to the numbers. There will always be exceptions and those need to be better understood. Of course, none of this may be of comfort for those that fall into those high-risk categories.
 
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R.Caerbannog said:
Small part of China's misinformation campaign. Initial video is a Chicom gal shit talking the US and if you scroll down there is video of a Chicom wiping his shoes with PPE.
Even the most woke of folks, like Trudeau, are waking up to how shitty China is.
Trudeau vows 'no corners cut' in accepting masks, other supplies from China
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Hey, China Rose! We've heard this song before bitch. Facts are, communist China delivered hundreds of thousands of testing kits and masks to nations around the world, which do not work.
 
Dame said:
Hey, China Rose! We've heard this song before bitch. Facts are, communist China delivered hundreds of thousands of testing kits and masks to nations around the world, which do not work.
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That wasn't even one of the bad exampes either. I saw a post of the 'masks' China sent to Lombardi and was kinda horrified. It was a thin rectangular piece of folded material, with slits to poke your ears through.

Grunt said:
Personally, I would like to punch her in the throat until it gets mushy....
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Dude!!!
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R.Caerbannog said:
That wasn't even one of the bad exampes either. I saw a post of the 'masks' China sent to Lombardi and was kinda horrified. It was a thin rectangular piece of folded material, with slits to poke your ears through.


Dude!!!
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I don’t know if you are being sarcastic....Those are called surgical masks. We wear them in patients rooms who are on droplet precautions, or are neutropenic/immunocompromised. They are important in reducing the spread of diseases that are not aerosolized. They are used significantly more frequently than N-95 masks. They are a vital piece of equipment in the hospital.

There are more than just COVID patients in the hospitals. Wearing a surgical mask may help prevent the spread of airborne disease processes from healthcare providers who are asymptomatic to others who are at high risk. The hospital I work in is mandating the wear of these masks beginning tomorrow, however the supply is low. 200k masks isn’t too bad.
 
And so another viscous cycle begins:
Cuomo begs healthcare workers from other states to 'come and help us'

He wants a million healthcare workers. If all these health workers flock to NY, what happens:

A. When cases escalate back in the towns they came from? If we listen to experts, this could happen in a few weeks. Who will provide care there?

B. When those workers become infected and/or carry the virus back with them?

Tough questions.
 
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Dvr55119 said:
I don’t know if you are being sarcastic....Those are called surgical masks. We wear them in patients rooms who are on droplet precautions, or are neutropenic/immunocompromised. They are important in reducing the spread of diseases that are not aerosolized. They are used significantly more frequently than N-95 masks. They are a vital piece of equipment in the hospital.

There are more than just COVID patients in the hospitals. Wearing a surgical mask may help prevent the spread of airborne disease processes from healthcare providers who are asymptomatic to others who are at high risk. The hospital I work in is mandating the wear of these masks beginning tomorrow, however the supply is low. 200k masks isn’t too bad.
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These weren't surgical masks. These were thin chintzy pieces of dryer looking cloth that were being passed of as surgical masks. I'll find the picture and post it. Lets just say the people who received those supplies were less than thrilled. The tweet thing was in Italian and did not sound happy.

Add On: Found the picture!
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