Covid-19

Dvr55119 said:
Thanks. Seems like the right thing to do.
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If the right thing is to inflate the numbers of deaths for future funding, sure... still incredibly irresponsible.

It's my understanding that people are still dying out there of other causes. If an asymptomatic person dies of a heart attack, but had been confirmed for COVID, they are now considered dead because of COVID
 
lindy said:
Par for the course here.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215181451190251520

The replies are golden.
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Of course, nobody read past the headline:

The new coronavirus doesn’t appear to be readily spread by humans, but researchers caution that more study is needed.

HONG KONG — Chinese researchers say they have identified a new virus behind an illness that has infected dozens of people across Asia, setting off fears in a region that was struck by a deadly epidemic 17 years ago.

There is no evidence that the new virus is readily spread by humans, which would make it particularly dangerous, and it has not been tied to any deaths. But health officials in China and elsewhere are watching it carefully to ensure that the outbreak does not develop into something more severe.
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Edit: Not even the headline. Didn’t read past the TWEET
 
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Florida173 said:
If the right thing is to inflate the numbers of deaths for future funding, sure... still incredibly irresponsible.

It's my understanding that people are still dying out there of other causes. If an asymptomatic person dies of a heart attack, but had been confirmed for COVID, they are now considered dead because of COVID
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That just seems like a straw man argument that you have no evidence for. They don’t even test every admission to the hospital. Do you have an example of an asymptomatic person dying then being found to have it, and that then having that reported as a COD?
 
You know how people make fun of hurricane models? How many of those people are hanging on every word from the IHME and other places?

It's like The Office meme: "Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture."

They're the same picture.
 
I just want to clarify, in hospital settings at least with EPIC they have this thing called “principal hospital problem”. In an inpatient setting, that is the thing that caused the hospitalization. That may not be the final cause of death, for instance, a post op heart surgery patient may die from another problem, like.... pneumonia, or sepsis. The final straw is the cause of death. So sure people with heart failure may be listed as dying from corona virus caused pneumonia, because that is what is killing them. They were living in some stage of HF then got a sickness and died from it. That is the COD. They aren’t taking dead car accident victims and attributing them to COVID. People are still dying of strokes, STEMI’s and various other maladies.

I’ve been in these rooms with people dying from this, not for long due to my current role, but I have been there. It is awful. I don’t want to see my dad or FIL die from this because they are 65+ and have hypertension like every other male their age.
 
AWP said:
You know how people make fun of hurricane models? How many of those people are hanging on every word from the IHME and other places?

It's like The Office meme: "Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture."

They're the same picture.
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Oh man, I can tell you I was paying pretty close attention to the tornado modeling over Alabama today. It might as well have been "All of the tornadoes will hit here" with a big arrow pointed at my parents' house. (everyone's fine, house is fine, just standard Springtime in the South stuff going on)
 
Dvr55119 said:
That just seems like a straw man argument that you have no evidence for. They don’t even test every admission to the hospital. Do you have an example of an asymptomatic person dying then being found to have it, and that then having that reported as a COD?
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Didn't realize this was an argument and it's definitely not a strawman, just an accurate example of what would be considered based on Dr. Birx's remarks. It's not a difficult articulation. Someone that dies from anything, and also has COVID, is counted as being dead because of COVID.
 
I don't believe the fact that if someone dies "with" COVID in their bodies should necessarily count as their cause of death *until* they are somehow further examined through autopsy or some other method. A lot of what is being done currently has not been done in the past. The numbers simply don't match the hype and fear that is being pushed.
 
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Florida173 said:
Didn't realize this was an argument and it's definitely not a strawman, just an accurate example of what would be considered based on Dr. Birx's remarks. It's not a difficult articulation. Someone that dies from anything, and also has COVID, is counted as being dead because of COVID.
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Ok.
 
GOTWA said:
Shit, in China if someone dies, that person never existed anyway.



It's number manipulation and done all the time. "America corona cases grow to 100,000!" or "USA deaths exceed the total number of deaths in Italy!"

When you look at the numbers, 100,000 looks like a lot, but it isn't. It's way more engaging and scary than saying .03 % of the population... or when you compare a country with 328m people to one of 60m. It doesn't sound so sexy and appealing if they state we have only 20% of the number of deaths to overall population when compared to Italy. One makes it sound out of control, the other like we're doing a great job. Great doesn't sell, panic does.
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You bet, a percentage of apples is still a percentage of apples.
 
Marauder06 said:
Oh man, I can tell you I was paying pretty close attention to the tornado modeling over Alabama today. It might as well have been "All of the tornadoes will hit here" with a big arrow pointed at my parents' house. (everyone's fine, house is fine, just standard Springtime in the South stuff going on)
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Hope they have power!
 
lindy said:
Interesting perspective on the Fear Factor. I think there’s validity to this idea.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1249428733833904133
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This is similar to the comparison between American citizens and German (or as @Devildoc stated, most European) citizens I brought up a few pages back;

We (as a populace) tend not to do something until forced, by laws or fear, to do it, and that makes us shoot ourselves in the foot with our rights.

Stuff like the Life Tabernacle Church service scares people, especially when you can see how a Megachurch in South Korea accounted (cant find a newer source right now) for most of that country's cases.

It's legitimate fears of things like that that becomes people happily accepting Kentucky
taking down license plate/VIN numbers.
 

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