Covid-19

Dame said:
Living hand to mouth refers to having zero resources. The moment you are paid or given any usable goods (hand), it goes straight toward food to stay alive (mouth).

ETA: Why the hell does that baby have a gold hoop in its ear? Pirate parents?
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Thanks Dame! Found a dictionary definition but it didn't really give much explanation.

As for the earing.... maybe hipsters, gypsies, or old school traditionalists?
 
An interesting new mask design, repurposing full face snorkel masks.

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New mask to protect against COVID-19 unveiled on Manitoulin Island
 
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0699 said:
You're really going to compare a "brand new private" to an Navy Captain aviator ship commander? Seriously? Please admit now that you're making a strawman argument.

Yes, I've also dealt with broken leaders, fake "open door policies", and subpar chains of command. And I knew how to deal with them and continue operations, because I was a Marine SNCO and had been taught how to do so. This guy was a highly paid and trained naval officer. The nation spent a lot of money teach him to lead and fight. When the time came to do the right thing, he failed.
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Disliked because I do not think he failed at doing the right thing. I think he got to the end of his rope and felt he had no choice.
 
Devildoc said:
Disliked because I do not think he failed at doing the right thing. I think he got to the end of his rope and felt he had no choice.
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I think you're making assumptions. Who had he discussed this with? Group commander? Fleet commander? CNO? SecNav? SecDef? Did he reach out to a congressman? What actions had he taken to mitigate the possible damage coronavirus could do to his crew? I don't know any of these; do you?
 
0699 said:
I think you're making assumptions. Who had he discussed this with? Group commander? Fleet commander? CNO? SecNav? SecDef? Did he reach out to a congressman? What actions had he taken to mitigate the possible damage coronavirus could do to his crew? I don't know any of these; do you?
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I don't think I'm making any more assumptions than you are, correct? How do you know he did not do these things?

You don't get to be commander of a carrier without understanding how to play the game and without having had some command experience. Maybe he got to the point where he knew he is risking his career and trying to do the right thing.

So I guess what I feel about it and what you feel about it cancel each other out until there are more facts in evidence.
 
0699 said:
I think you're making assumptions. Who had he discussed this with? Group commander? Fleet commander? CNO? SecNav? SecDef? Did he reach out to a congressman? What actions had he taken to mitigate the possible damage coronavirus could do to his crew? I don't know any of these; do you?
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He was not a private, I would say he went through the right channels and got zero answers. He up the anti. Doom on the morons that brushed him off.
 
Polar Bear said:
He was not a private, I would say he went through the right channels and got zero answers. He up the anti. Doom on the morons that brushed him off.
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I think Devildoc hit it on the head; we're going to have to agree to disagree. He got paid to solve problems and defend the American people. Not to publicly bitch about what he perceived to be the wrong course of action.
 
0699 said:
I think Devildoc hit it on the head; we're going to have to agree to disagree. He got paid to solve problems and defend the American people. Not to publicly bitch about what he perceived to be the wrong course of action.
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I could be wrong, but I’m gathering that you believe that Crozer was the one who leaked to the press. That is exactly where you and I would stand in disagreement. I firmly believe that someone in the email chain leaked it out, but that someone wasn’t Crozer
 
0699 said:
I think Devildoc hit it on the head; we're going to have to agree to disagree. He got paid to solve problems and defend the American people. Not to publicly bitch about what he perceived to be the wrong course of action.
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Yup. Whether he got brushed off or not, he knew he was doing the wrong thing by going public, or allowing it to go public. I would be very surprised indeed if he didn't realize that, and the consequences of doing so, and went ahead regardless. Which would lead one to wonder if he was being a "martyr" or had another agenda going forward. I do question why he allowed his Sailors to congregate to cheer him off during this period of urgent social distancing though...
 
racing_kitty said:
I could be wrong, but I’m gathering that you believe that Crozer was the one who leaked to the press. That is exactly where you and I would stand in disagreement. I firmly believe that someone in the email chain leaked it out, but that someone wasn’t Crozer
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Saw something the other day that said he and the Battle Group Commander did not get along, which may be why he blind sided the BG/Cdr.
 
pardus said:
Yup. Whether he got brushed off or not, he knew he was doing the wrong thing by going public, or allowing it to go public. I would be very surprised indeed if he didn't realize that, and the consequences of doing so, and went ahead regardless. Which would lead one to wonder if he was being a "martyr" or had another agenda going forward. I do question why he allowed his Sailors to congregate to cheer him off during this period of urgent social distancing though...
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He was relieved of command, he had no say. I hope he gave his story to the press not leaked. Your troops come first. I was only a squad leader, I would have gone to the mat for everyone one of my guys.
 
racing_kitty said:
I could be wrong, but I’m gathering that you believe that Crozer was the one who leaked to the press. That is exactly where you and I would stand in disagreement. I firmly believe that someone in the email chain leaked it out, but that someone wasn’t Crozer.
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Then I'm not saying it well. I do not think he sent an email directly to the press. I have not seen the "to" distribution list from his email. I do think he sent this email out to enough people that he knew someone would leak it. If he thought he could send this email and NOT have it leaked, in this day and age where literally EVERYTHING gets leaked, then I question whether he had the intelligence needed to be an aircraft carrier commander.
pardus said:
Yup. Whether he got brushed off or not, he knew he was doing the wrong thing by going public, or allowing it to go public. I would be very surprised indeed if he didn't realize that, and the consequences of doing so, and went ahead regardless. Which would lead one to wonder if he was being a "martyr" or had another agenda going forward. I do question why he allowed his Sailors to congregate to cheer him off during this period of urgent social distancing though...
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I think he did this knowing it would be released. I think he perceived that he would be the "hero" of this incident, saving his sailors from those nasty senior officers.
 

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