Devildoc
Verified Military
We'll, not really "common cold". That's why they are calling it "novel" because it isn't the same. Same family, yes.
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We'll, not really "common cold". That's why they are calling it "novel" because it isn't the same. Same family, yes.
Devildoc
Verified Military
No worries, truly.
I also have real world experience with this kind of stuff, and I fully believe there is so much hype and panic about it, and I am really struggling to find why.
But regarding this virus and the cold, think of it this way. If it was just a common cold, why are more people dying of it? Even old people, with respiratory disease, with compromised immune systems, they get colds all the time and are no worse for wear. There is something different about this mutation.
For context, we often see clusters of norovirus, which is a GI bug, right? Well there are many types of norovirus, and they don't all work or affect the body the same way.
Is it the same as a common cold? No. Is it the second coming of SARS or avian flu? Absolutely not.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Partly. Also the virulence among the 'bad' population is particularly troubling. Most diseases can be spread prior to being symptomatic, but this one incubates differently. "Alarming" to the general population? I do not think so. I was joking with my wife that we should take our whole family and visit someone who is sick just to get it done, just like our parents did with us 45 years ago with chicken pox.
I mean, it's a sound plan. I've read once you recover, you should have the anti-bodies to protect against it. My question, does the lesser of the two(three?) protect against the others afterwards or are you still susceptible to the more powerful of the group?
Bambi
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Okay, thanks. Different people say different things in regards to how bad the virus can be. The severe cases are the major minority with older people being more at risk of developing severe cases. Me, a 19 year old in good health , has 0.2% chance of dying from it, so I’m not panicking or anything just trying to get the facts from people in the know. Thanks
Devildoc
Verified Military
One of the novel things about this strain is that people have caught it, got better, caught it again/relapsed. That is unusual. But, theoretically, once you get it you are supposed to make antibodies so if you get it or a different strain it will be less severe.
LibraryLady
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Look what good that did. Now we get to deal with Shingles. Yes, there's now a vaccine for Chicken Pox and even Shingles, but still, the idea that getting something and it conferring immunity because of that exposure isn't always a good thing.
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Devildoc
Verified Military
In that particular case, a lot more kids got CP and did not get shingles than adults who had CP and who get shingles. Now there are vaccines for both, so hopefully is won't be that big of a deal. Our parents, and we as parents, follow the Law of Good Intentions, and it doesn't always pan out the way we hope.
BTW, I had shingles, once, almost 20 years ago.
Well, here we go. The Soldier of this spouse also tested positive for Covid-19, sparking base wide emails, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Don’t worry- SOCOM put out guidance saying ‘wash your hands’ and we posted fact sheets.
Where was the information disseminated? You guessed it. All-call. Small enclosed classroom.
Off-Base JBLM Spouse Tests Positive Over Weekend for COVID-19
Where was the information disseminated? You guessed it. All-call. Small enclosed classroom.
Off-Base JBLM Spouse Tests Positive Over Weekend for COVID-19
Devildoc
Verified Military
Bwahahaha! That's like the most military thing ever.
We're having a WebEx in 60 seconds with university, hospital, state, and CDC people. I'll advise if we hear anything different.
ThunderHorse
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Daughter works for a womens hospital in Boston; she expects them to go telework mandatory at the end of the week. Harvard is asking students to move out of dorms in five days. They are not to return after spring break. Harvard is going online only until further notice.
Michigan State is going to online classes only today.
Just got back from the VA in Ann Arbor. Screening everyone as they enter, with VA Police on the scene to ensure compliance. Providers have been directed to limit FTF meetings with patients to those that are not high risk for the virus (that means people over 60, heart conditions, diabetes and so on). Since the heart attack last month I'm in that category. For well over a month the VA staff has been asked to volunteer to work at 'other sites around the country to help with screening for COVID19.'
Michigan State is going to online classes only today.
Just got back from the VA in Ann Arbor. Screening everyone as they enter, with VA Police on the scene to ensure compliance. Providers have been directed to limit FTF meetings with patients to those that are not high risk for the virus (that means people over 60, heart conditions, diabetes and so on). Since the heart attack last month I'm in that category. For well over a month the VA staff has been asked to volunteer to work at 'other sites around the country to help with screening for COVID19.'
NOT directed at you! A piggyback commentary based on your post, nothing more. This is NOT an attack on you.
Devildoc
Verified Military
Back from webex/meeting. Some take home points:
1) COVID-19 will get worse before it gets better in terms of total number of cases
2) COVID-19 may be here for a bulk of the rest of the year
3) They do not know how it affects children fully; they may be asymptomatic carriers
4) They anticipate the criteria of at-risk to grow
5) While not an extinction-level event a la a billion people getting SARS or H1N1, etc., it can be enough to stunt the economy pretty badly and enough to make a major impact on the healthcare system
All these are prognostications based on evidence and data so far and based on modelling; therefore, some of these may be better/worse than expected based on today's information (IOW, "don't blame me if I am wrong and it's better or worse than I said today").
1) COVID-19 will get worse before it gets better in terms of total number of cases
2) COVID-19 may be here for a bulk of the rest of the year
3) They do not know how it affects children fully; they may be asymptomatic carriers
4) They anticipate the criteria of at-risk to grow
5) While not an extinction-level event a la a billion people getting SARS or H1N1, etc., it can be enough to stunt the economy pretty badly and enough to make a major impact on the healthcare system
All these are prognostications based on evidence and data so far and based on modelling; therefore, some of these may be better/worse than expected based on today's information (IOW, "don't blame me if I am wrong and it's better or worse than I said today").
FWIW -
I (COO) have all of our employees ready to be able to work remotely should we decide to go that route. Based on conversations today, over the next week we will most likely have a floating option for those to work remotely (81% of our employees have tested their environments remotely or access that environment monthly) and we can go to a mandatory remote policy for 2-3 weeks when someone catches this. The remaining 19% of employees are currently testing their environments and our devs are just double checking some security with the servers since the information we have needs to be locked down.
That's what I have our place doing and we will be business as usual until another event happens 3rd party or otherwise that changes that. I don't predict a lot of stunting in our workflow or ability to do our jobs since we have tested and planned for contingencies like this in the past. Our message is we are prepared to roll with this but things shouldn't be materially different.
I (COO) have all of our employees ready to be able to work remotely should we decide to go that route. Based on conversations today, over the next week we will most likely have a floating option for those to work remotely (81% of our employees have tested their environments remotely or access that environment monthly) and we can go to a mandatory remote policy for 2-3 weeks when someone catches this. The remaining 19% of employees are currently testing their environments and our devs are just double checking some security with the servers since the information we have needs to be locked down.
That's what I have our place doing and we will be business as usual until another event happens 3rd party or otherwise that changes that. I don't predict a lot of stunting in our workflow or ability to do our jobs since we have tested and planned for contingencies like this in the past. Our message is we are prepared to roll with this but things shouldn't be materially different.
Riddle me this: What benefit does having everyone come in now have? If you can work remote... then ramp up everyone working remotely. You'll cut costs for physical workspace required, everyone will probably become more productive as being able to sip a brandy while you beat on a keyboard like a rabid howler monkey has a flavor all it's own. Nevermind being able to work wherever necessary/convenient if needed at a moments notice for something. @compforce @racing_kitty @x SF med can all attest to the validity of my statements.
Plus, even if it's just for a month or two, letting everyone self quarantine and handing them a 4 pack of purel on the way out the door makes you look (perception is reality, even if reality is reality, and them SEEING that you're giving a shit matters as much if not more than the fact you're giving a shit about them) damn good.
Devildoc
Verified Military
There is GREAT data that self-quarantine/restricting social distance prevents transmission.
How canceled events and self-quarantines save lives, in one chart
Also, regarding precautions, it depends on which source you read: WHO supports it being droplet, CDC supports it being airborne. Who's right? Who knows? It could be both.
How canceled events and self-quarantines save lives, in one chart
Also, regarding precautions, it depends on which source you read: WHO supports it being droplet, CDC supports it being airborne. Who's right? Who knows? It could be both.
