Handgun for home defense

[Ranger Psych]

Awesome, thanks for the response. I'm leaning towards a G17 or G19 (based on a few of yall's advice, coupled with the proper rounds based on what the Troll and a few others have suggested) through Glock's blue label program. My next decision is do I buy in AZ to avoid the fucking hassle here in CA, transport it here and just register it or jump through all the hoops and red tape to buy here in CA? I still regret the day I sold my G22 and USP 40.

SO, In closing:

If you're going to get a new gun, you need to buy it at an FFL IN STATE or TRANSFER IT THROUGH A FFL IN STATE if you want to retain your rectal sphincter tension.

That weapon may end up having to have more controls than it was originally designed for, and it will have a restricted capacity magazine.

Failing to do so will earn you lots of face time with Bubba or Jaquin depending on if it's a Federal case or State case that you lose on.

A 4187 is easier, smarter, and cheaper to boot.

 

[Dame]

Out of both curiosity and the need to remind myself that staying in NV was a good choice, what (if anything) did you have to do to bring your firearms from AK to NV?

 

[medicchick]

Out of both curiosity and the need to remind myself that staying in NV was a good choice, what (if anything) did you have to do to bring your firearms from AK to NV?

We shipped them all to an FFL here in town, Canada doesn't like most of them either. As it was we lost all the AR mags (no longer even have that so meh) and all the 12 round HK ones because we didn't know the empty mags with no weapon in sight weren't allowed either. We could have brought my 454, maybe the 7mm we had and the shotguns but it's a bunch of paperwork and headache we didn't want.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Lost *SOME* of the AR mags, and SOME of the HK mags, primarily due to the vibe I was getting from the customs chick where it just felt like "give and get or dump your shit" was the name of the game.

So, 7 in-plastic AR mags and 3 HK mags went into the pockets of canadian customs. That was just what was easily accessible, I figured I'd rifle through that and make it look like we were organized in lieu of having to dump/sort through everything since... well, we had some gun shit in every box out of every room. Cleaning kits in kitchen supplies, Brass in the bedroom, Shotshells in the kids stuff, CLP in bathroom supplies.... yeah, shit was everywhere... and the fuck if I was going to fight that fight, I'll just grab out of the primary box and they can have fun with their paperwork going OOO WE GOT THE EVIL MAGS OFF THE WARMONGER AMERICANS WE DID GUD TODAY GUYZ

Even better when we were coming across the US border from in Canada. First of all, half the damn crossings close at night, so we hit 2 crossings before we finally found one that was open. Then, the fat-headed douche nozzle with a badge was trying to give me a ration of shit about all sorts of stuff. I flat out told him that I didn't give a flying fuck if he did the swedish chef to my entire truck, trailer, and blazer because I'd sit there with a chew in while he packed it all up for one, second of all he would be wasting his time since everything we had was legal in the US, and last but not least even if he did dump my shit the fucking mission would be complete because WE WOULD BE INSIDE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AGAIN which was the whole point of the move THROUGH Canada.

grumble grumble free to go grumble was the result of that conversation. I guess after dealing with me, they wanted nothing to do with whatever would marry a prick like that and pretty much waved MC through with a minimum of fanfare.

 

[Ranger Psych]

In retrospect, it'd have been absolutely hilarious knowing that whole goatrodeo beforehand and then stopping at the American customs side... give them all the mags with the caveat that they hand one each out to the next however many people that are US Citizens with a CCW that come through.

"Welcome to Alaska *hands an AR mag* Have a nice day!"

 

[SkrewzLoose]

So I went back and re-read the info I originally found and it applies only to guns already owned before moving to CA, as someone pointed out. I'd much rather go through all the non sense to do this right vice ending up on the shower floor Ameican History X style.
Thanks for all the additional information and fuck CA.

 

[Dame]

In retrospect, it'd have been absolutely hilarious knowing that whole goatrodeo beforehand and then stopping at the American customs side... give them all the mags with the caveat that they hand one each out to the next however many people that are US Citizens with a CCW that come through.
"Welcome to Alaska *hands an AR mag* Have a nice day!"

Holy shit. Please tell me all of it would have been perfectly legal with no hassles in NV. When I moved here some 20-odd years ago we drove from CA with all our weapons, ammo, etc. After we'd settled in and unpacked we went to the cop shop to ask what we had to do. Pretty much nut'n. I'm guessing that's changed.

 

[Ranger Psych]

Canada's gun laws aren't HORRIBLE, but they're honestly on par with the east coast and california in some regards.

All the stuff I have is legal here. There's no stupidity yet, although the electorate and population supporting them from Reno and Vegas don't help anything at the federal level. State level, they're generally much more realistic about things. Where I'm at? Ehh, let's just say that if suddenly the state went full retard to where carry went to LEO only, the Sheriff's got ways around it planned. OC's not a regular thing, but it's not odd, either.

 

[surgicalcric]

I am picking up what you are saying RP and MC; I misread MC's original post on the topic.

That said, that all exists outside the scope of military assignments.

My HOR has stayed SC for tax purposes (because I don't pay state income tax in SC) but with assignment orders in varying states I have been able to purchase firearms, including pistols in North Carolina, Maryland, and Florida now.

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
page 135

Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the Brady Act. The required valid government-issued photo identification document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of the transferee may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's residence address. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located, and may satisfy the identification document requirement by presenting his or her military identification card along with official orders showing
that his or her permanent duty station is within the State where the licensed premises are located.

 

[medicchick]

I am picking up what you are saying RP and MC; I misread MC's original post on the topic.

That said, that all exists outside the scope of military assignments.

My HOR has stayed SC for tax purposes (because I don't pay state income tax in SC) but with assignment orders in varying states I have been able to purchase firearms, including pistols in North Carolina, Maryland, and Florida now.

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
page 135

That's why I said HOR doesn't really matter, laws apply to the state you reside/are stationed (if the same, looking at you Ft Benning) in. RP had Nevada for HOR but we bought plenty of guns in AK when he was stationed there and after he got out and we stayed. I always advise people to know their local state laws, I know CA only because they are so close people drive over and try to buy gun stuff that isn't legal there and transport it back.

 

[SkrewzLoose]

@Ranger Psych , heard a guy I work with today talking about picking up a .357 while he's on vacation in NV this coming week and flying it back with him when he returns. Alarms and red flags start going off in my head because of the last 2 pages of this thread...

Me: Dude, don't do it. You're talking felony type shit if/when you get caught transporting firearms across state lines the way you're talking about doing it. I got into this same discussion regarding doing the same thing from AZ to CA.
Him: I talked to TSA, airlines, they said it's cool as long as the pistol is transported in acceptable case, blah, blah.
Me: Not the point. Purchasing a firearm out of state and then transporting it across state lines is illegal. The TSA will be the least of your worries. Look, here's the web pages I was sent to on this forum. (the 2 Wiki sites MC sent me to that flesh out the laws regarding interstate transfer)
Him: So, I called a local FFL over lunch and he said that since I'm Military and have a NV ID, I'm good. The law doesn't say Military folks can't do it, so that makes a loop hole.
At this point, I seriously gave him this look: :-/
Me: You're putting a lot of trust in something that an FFL said even though the law states "any person" and that's all encompassing, Mil, civi, HoR, out of state, doesn't matter.

I knew it was a lost cause at that point. So, I just sent him a text that basically said: To legally own your firearm in CA, it will have to be registered with the state. To register the firearm, you're going to have to provide purchase paperwork. You better hope the guy at the random gun shop was right when you tell the state you did things the way you did without going through an FFL...

 

[pardus]

^ big boy's rules...

 

[SkrewzLoose]

^ big boy's rules...

Yep. I hope I was able to put enough doubt in his mind to cause him to rethink. He asked me if I was going to buy in AZ, I said there was no chance after learning what I have about the laws. And if I do, it's going to be strictly through an FFL.

 

[BloodStripe]

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[DA SWO]

@Ranger Psych , heard a guy I work with today talking about picking up a .357 while he's on vacation in NV this coming week and flying it back with him when he returns. Alarms and red flags start going off in my head because of the last 2 pages of this thread...

Me: Dude, don't do it. You're talking felony type shit if/when you get caught transporting firearms across state lines the way you're talking about doing it. I got into this same discussion regarding doing the same thing from AZ to CA.
Him: I talked to TSA, airlines, they said it's cool as long as the pistol is transported in acceptable case, blah, blah.
Me: Not the point. Purchasing a firearm out of state and then transporting it across state lines is illegal. The TSA will be the least of your worries. Look, here's the web pages I was sent to on this forum. (the 2 Wiki sites MC sent me to that flesh out the laws regarding interstate transfer)
Him: So, I called a local FFL over lunch and he said that since I'm Military and have a NV ID, I'm good. The law doesn't say Military folks can't do it, so that makes a loop hole.
At this point, I seriously gave him this look: :-/
Me: You're putting a lot of trust in something that an FFL said even though the law states "any person" and that's all encompassing, Mil, civi, HoR, out of state, doesn't matter.

I knew it was a lost cause at that point. So, I just sent him a text that basically said: To legally own your firearm in CA, it will have to be registered with the state. To register the firearm, you're going to have to provide purchase paperwork. You better hope the guy at the random gun shop was right when you tell the state you did things the way you did without going through an FFL...

Where does he plan on storing his weapon?

 

[SkrewzLoose]

In his home.

I had someone tell me this morning that AD Military makes us licensed importers... :-/:wall:

 

[BloodStripe]

Edit: Just saw you are talking about Commieornia

"A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own
State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire
a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any
State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable
in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser
resides."

 

[0699]

Him: So, I called a local FFL over lunch and he said that since I'm Military and have a NV ID, I'm good. The law doesn't say Military folks can't do it, so that makes a loop hole.

The California thing being completely seperate, it's my understanding that military folks do fall into a different category. They are allowed to buy handguns in their home state (apparently NV for the guy you're talking about) and in the state in which they're stationed, as long as they have orders permenantly assigning them to that state.

 

[BloodStripe]

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Transferring_firearms_Interstate

 

[BloodStripe]

The California thing being completely seperate, it's my understanding that military folks do all into a different category. They are allowed to buy handguns in their home state (apparently NV for the guy you're talking about) and in the state in which they're stationed, as long as they have orders permenantly assigning them to that state.

So wouldn't that make you a "resident" then of the state you are stationed in? Meaning he would have to comply with California state law?