Higher Education: Your Experiences, Your Questions

Skrewz, I have heard from sources with placement and access that EWSP is pretty tough to get into. If you really want an Ivy education, I'd look into Columbia's School of General Studies. They seem to be more forgiving of past grades if you've had good life experience and good recent academic performance (A Marine friend of mine got in with a 3.0 and one deployment) and the curriculum is the exact same as a regular Columbia attendee. You attend the same classes as regular Columbia kids, you can choose all the same majors, and you can take classes from adjacent colleges (Like Barnard if that's your thing) just like a regular student. The dean of admissions came and talked to us this past week and the only difference, he said, was that the GS degree was in English, while the degree for the regular kids was in Latin. He said it's because it's been their tradition (As with most schools) to issue degrees in Latin, while it's the tradition of the GS school (Founded in the 40's) to do theirs in English. Thing is, both say COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY in big fucking letters, so is there really any difference? I don't think so.

It's something that you should look into.
 
Columbia??? Hah! I scoff at Columbia!*









*not because it isn't a good school, because it is, I just don't go there right now :-)
 
I heard at Yale that all they do is spank people with titanium paddles (paddle technology has come far).
 
So I haven't mentioned this previously, but I got the notice today that I was selected for the 2013 iteration of the Warrior Scholar Project, a two-week intensive seminar put on by the Operation Opportunity Foundation.
From the website:

The Warrior-Scholar Project is an intensive donor-funded two-week workshop hosted at America's top universities to help facilitate veterans' transition from the military to college.
Veterans enrolling in the Warrior-Scholar Project attend courses and discussions led by prominent professors, administrators, and current student-veterans on topics including:
  • Academic reading and writing
  • Adapting to changed social circumstances
  • Translating skills used and acquired in the military to the college environment
  • Overcoming and embracing many other challenges that are inevitably
    confronted by non-traditional college students, especially veterans.
Through the Warrior-Scholar Project, not only do we teach veterans the substantive skills they will need to succeed in college, but we aim to completely transform the way they view themselves as students.

It is only in it's second year, so they only took 25 this yer, but it is fully donor-funded. It takes place on Yale's campus, utilizing a few Yale professors to teach the above-mentioned skills. It is really a great opportunity and I would encourage everyone who can to apply next time. They have mentioned previously that they'd like to do more than one session per year, so keep an eye on the website.
 
Congrats, Deathy! This program is pretty selective, you must be doing something right to get picked up for it.

This is a great program. I know one of the founders personally, and the professors that pitch in voluntarily are some of the elite of not just Yale but academia in general.

Every single enlisted man or woman who is thinking about going to school after they get out should apply to this program. It's free; it teaches skills that help you make the jump from .mil to .edu; and it's run at Yale, by people who really know what they're doing.

You don't have to want to go to Yale to do the Warrior Scholar Project. While it's run here, it's not a training program for future Yalies, nor will the people who work in the Program help you get into Yale, at least not directly. But there is something to be said for being face-to-face with people who have been where you want to go, and who can help you through the process.

Good luck Deathy, I hope after you complete the program you'll post a follow-up here. And I hope many, many more ShadowSpear vets will take advantage of this program in the future. I think the WSP is especially looking for female vets.
 
In the other thread, Irish made a mention about my tongue in cheek comment about IR. Marauder06 has also done it there and I think there Deathy McDeath is lined up, too. I thought we could have a mini discussion about the benefits of it. I've finished that side of my (undergraduate) degree and Mara has done his Masters in it so I think we have good depth on the matter.

I'll start the discussion by saying that, like any degree, it is reasonably worthless without some work experience behind you. That's not an issue for all the people here and so my examples in the other thread were probably a bit redundant in that regard. I feel that an undergrad degree in it should be coupled with something more "practical" though. A MA in it is good if you want to make career movement either within your department or make a switch to another and can give you good research and essay writing skills- though hopefully your pols/IR depts will have a standard way of writing essays rather than the "I don't like it like that" hodgepoge that I had.

I found the IR theories to be a bit hit and miss. I personally don't put too much faith in them and mostly regard a lot of them as ways for lecturers to get published rather than as anything practical and applicable to the real world. Very few of them actually in totality fit to a situation except in sometimes very general ways. That said, I think IR is taught badly at my university.

Don't expect a lot of defence/mil/intel stuff since that's mostly the domain of Security Studies. I think I did one paper on security alliances and the rest were all trade and rubbish like that that I'm personally not interested in. I would recommend SecStudies if that's what flicks your switch and I wish I had done that, though it would have meant another university (though mine offers it at PostGradCit and MA level).

Some things to think about. Mara, your thoughts?
 
I have yet to apply for the course .. I am leaning towards the IR & security studies but I do not have much information on what the course entails so I hope this leads to a knowledgeable discussion..
 
In the other thread, Irish made a mention about my tongue in cheek comment about IR. Marauder06 has also done it there and I think there Deathy McDeath is lined up, too. I thought we could have a mini discussion about the benefits of it. I've finished that side of my (undergraduate) degree and Mara has done his Masters in it so I think we have good depth on the matter.

I'll start the discussion by saying that, like any degree, it is reasonably worthless without some work experience behind you. That's not an issue for all the people here and so my examples in the other thread were probably a bit redundant in that regard. I feel that an undergrad degree in it should be coupled with something more "practical" though. A MA in it is good if you want to make career movement either within your department or make a switch to another and can give you good research and essay writing skills- though hopefully your pols/IR depts will have a standard way of writing essays rather than the "I don't like it like that" hodgepoge that I had.

I found the IR theories to be a bit hit and miss. I personally don't put too much faith in them and mostly regard a lot of them as ways for lecturers to get published rather than as anything practical and applicable to the real world. Very few of them actually in totality fit to a situation except in sometimes very general ways. That said, I think IR is taught badly at my university.

Don't expect a lot of defence/mil/intel stuff since that's mostly the domain of Security Studies. I think I did one paper on security alliances and the rest were all trade and rubbish like that that I'm personally not interested in. I would recommend SecStudies if that's what flicks your switch and I wish I had done that, though it would have meant another university (though mine offers it at PostGradCit and MA level).

Some things to think about. Mara, your thoughts?

I agree with a lot of what you said, especially the experience part.

Like a lot of things, the answer to "is it worth it" is, "it depends." The IR domain is kind of wide open, and depending on one's course of study, there is a lot of room for some interesting topics. Security is one of the major subfields of IR, and many programs will allow one to specialize in that. I found that a study of IR gave me a good understanding of things like development, economics, and history in addition to shoring up my understanding of security studies. Most policymakers make use of one or more IR theories when they make decisions, whether they realize it or not. Understanding those theories can help understand why people make the decisions they do, which will help you anticipate future decisions be they from blue, red, or green. And that's a good thing.

You're probably not ever going to get rich through an IR degree, no more than you would from any of the social sciences. But an IR degree would be pretty helpful to most military practicioners, IMO; after all, what is war except a continuation of international discourse by other means? ;-)

Another attractive aspect of IR, especially at the graduate level, is the bewildering array of people who are attracted to the field. This diversity of experience and thought helps both enrich the classroom experience and help network for future employment.
 
My personal feeling is that the theories for the most part are naff and that the people involved are much more important. Of course, this in itself is a theory and that makes me mad! :D

Your last sentence is quite true and important I think. It speaks to how it's an important post-grad subject. You're in a good spot because I gather that a lot of your lecturers are real-world IR experienced, which obviously means they know what's practical and what's not. That now leads nicely into another point: for you guys looking at it, look at the faculty as well as the uni's overall rep. As an example, our SecStudies boss is well well well connected and IIRC has a lot of government work behind him. The IR dept, most are not. As an example, a girl I know who works for MFAT went to a public lecture on something she was working on and came out of it saying "these guys have no idea." So that's the benefit of a good, experienced, faculty.

I'm sure I'll think of other things as they come up.
 
I know many of our members are contemplating going to (or going back to) college. I would encourage all of you to swing for the fences when considering schools. If there is a school you want to go to, apply there. If there is someone that you really admire teaching at a certain school, apply there. And keep applying. You have several good things working for you- 1) your own experience, drive, and motivation; 2) funding from the GI Bill; 3) the goodwill of institutions across America who are bending over backwards to admit vets. Capitalize on that! And if you get turned down... try again next year, and the year after that. Perseverance is a key attribute both in the military and in academia. So show some during the application process. Undergrad or grad school, it doesn't matter.

Consider the following:
Yale's Eli Whitney program
Columbia's School of General Studies

If you never thought about going to college, or getting a grad degree, I urge you to consider it. I guarantee you, if you do it right it will make you and your country better. It will make you better by exposing you to thoughts and people you might otherwise not encounter, and will likely make you more employable. It will make your country better by exposing young, up-and-coming Americans to veterans and the role we play in society and the price we pay in the accomplishment of that role.

While he's too modest to talk much about it himself, our very own @Deathy McDeath recently got accepted to Columbia University, an Ivy League school. in the words of our vice president, "this is a big f-ing deal." I'm hoping that he will share the story of his journey to Columbia and offer advice to those who are seeking to follow a similar path.
 
Well Mara, since you asked so nicely I'd be happy to oblige.

I first learned of Columbia's opportunities for non-traditional students after receiving a notice from the Honors club (Which I had joined on a lark earlier in the semester) that the dean of admissions was going to be holding an information session at the school. Recognizing the Columbia brand name, I thought that it'd be neat to check out, but to not get my hopes up because NOBODY gets into those schools! Right? Myself and another member of the school's student veteran organization attended the session. The presenter started with an overview of the Columbia GS program, explained why it exists and how it is different from Columbia College (Which handles the right-out-of-high-school applicants), benefits and opportunities available for GS students, and cleared up some misconceptions that some people have about the school. One of the interesting things he brought up was that, out of all four colleges within Columbia University (GS, CC, Barnard, and Fu) GS has the highest average GPA and highest graduation rate. I was very impressed! He then opened up the floor for questions. Most were about what it took to gain admission (The school looks for a 3.5 GPA, good essays and would like to see at least 24 credits before applying). I stayed after, gave the dean my stats and asked what my chances would be. He said it would be tough, but to give it a shot. He gave out a few vouchers to waive the application fee (Which is 80$, I believe).

It was about this time that I started talking with @Marauder06 about Yale's Eli Whitney program. He told me what he knew about the program, and put me in touch with a Navy veteran who had successfully applied and had been accepted. This guy proved to be a wealth of information and really helped me along in the process. Now, at this time I was perhaps midway through my very first semester of post-high school work, and I was deathly afraid of getting bad grades, and because of this I was working very hard at my studies. I was very interested in applying to these schools, but at this stage I didn't consider my chances at either to be very realistic. In hindsight, my chances at Yale were not realistic, but my chances at Columbia were very realistic (I've since met accepted veterans with worse stats than mine, so that take as you will). But I figured it was worth a shot, and I had many, many people who wanted to see me succeed and could give me advice and pointers along the way. All that I had to do was put in the effort, both at school and on the applications.

A word on the apps: Yale's application for Eli Whitney is considerably more difficult than Columbia's. Though they both use the "common app" format, Yale's essay prompt has a limit of 600 words and has three distinct sections for you to write about. Columbia's app gives you an upper level of 2,000 words and is focused on your life, employment history, and what makes you a "non-traditional student". It was basically an auto-biography so it was much easier to write that particular essay. Imagine that; a longer essay being easier to write! Yale's prompt consisted of:

-What are your reasons for applying to the Eli Whitney Students Program at Yale?
-Tell us what personal, professional, or educational experiences influenced your decision to apply.
-What personal and academic goals do you think Yale can help you to reach?

Ouch. That turned out to be a tough one to write. I looked to a friend of mine who was a professional editor and asked how I should approach this topic. His basic advice was "talk to the prompt". Great. How do you talk about yourself while addressing three very specific, very distinct prompts? Long story short, I ended up writing was I thought was a fairly good essay that answered the prompts thoroughly, sent it out to various people for a second, third, and fourth look, and after much revision finally submitted it. I did roughly the same thing with the Columbia essay, but instead of looking to others for ideas first, I just spent an afternoon writing about myself and my experiences as a Marine. Like I said before, it was easier to write because it's always easy to write about yourself! But after review by a few folks, it was clear that my autobiography was very dry, and suffered from "military writing syndrome". That is to say, it was long on generalities and short on details. It seemed impersonal and detached. There was a lot of "And then I did this and this. From that I learned X. After that I did X." As my editor friend put it, it lacked the "show me, don't tell me" factor. This was rather frustrating. I set the essay aside and didn't touch it for about a month.

It wasn't until I talked to a friend of mine, and former Marine, who had been admitted to Columbia the previous year via a program designed to help Marines get into colleges (The Leadership Scholar Program, if you were wondering). I had been talking his ear off about my essay troubles for a while now, but had been avoiding asking for help. Eventually, he said "Hey, want to take a look at my essay?". It was something some simple and obvious that I was shocked I hadn't thought of it before! So that's precisely what I did, and WOW! His GPA wasn't that great, but as a former citizen of Pakistan who had deployed with a MEU to the region after a series of floods devastated the country in 2010, his story was incredibly compelling. As one of only two servicemen in the entire task force that spoke Urdu, he was called up numerous times for translation work. It was one passage in particular, in which he had to coordinate the guard force of a military post to allow emergency vehicles to enter the city in a timely, that gave me the inspiration for the overall "theme" of my essay. In particular, it caused me to recall a funny moment in Afghanistan, which became the introductory paragraph to my essay:

My first lesson in foreign relations came on a hot July day on Camp Shorabak, Afghanistan. I was part of a five-man adviser team whose mission was to train and mentor Afghan National Army (ANA) intelligence units. Part of our duties involved the escort of deceased ANA soldiers via transport plane to Kabul, so they could be transferred to their families. I was to be the escort that day, and was directed to head to the morgue to meet with the ANA drivers. Unfortunately, nobody told me where the morgue was. However, I thought my language skills might be able to assist me in this case. The basic way of asking where something is in Dari (The Afghan dialect of Persian Farsi) is to say “Kojaa --- ast?”. But as I thumbed through my Dari dictionary, I could not find the word for “Morgue”. I was perplexed. As I sat there parked by the side of the road, along walked two Afghan soldiers. I remembered that most Afghans speak a fair amount of English due to America's ten-year presence in the country, so I thought that I might be able to substitute the English word for 'morgue' and come out fine. I approached the soldiers, gave the customary greeting with my right hand over my heart, and said “Kojaa morgue ast?”. Immediately they burst out laughing and walked away. What had I done wrong? Afghans typically appreciate it when Americans attempt to speak their language and are very polite in trying to understand, but to be laughed at was something completely new. Eventually I found the morgue and completed the escort process. But the incident bothered me the entire time. When I arrived back at base I asked an interpreter, “Hey man, today I said “Kojaa morgue ast?” to some ANA and they laughed at me. What's the deal?”. A slight smile grew on his face. “Dude, 'morgue' means 'chicken' in Dari! You just asked them 'Where is the chicken?'"

I thought to myself, "This is it. I need to talk about my experiences with foreign cultures and how they've shaped me as a person!". I had worked with the Iraqi police, Japanese self-defense force, Malaysian air force, and extensively with the Afghan National Army. If I could open it up with a funny culture joke and tie all my experience working with foreign militaries into a neat package, it could make for a dynamite essay. And so, that's exactly what I did. I removed or shortened many of the original sections that talked about my early life, and how I was a poor student, and added bits about working with foreign cultures and how I came to appreciate those around me. Originally, I had a particularly long passage about how I had to lose a bunch of weight in order to ship to boot camp (Which was, personally, very significant to me), but I shortened it and the follow-on section about basic in order to stay around the 2,000 word limit. While it wasn't a hard limit per se, I'd been advised that going too far over 2,000 words could cause the admissions board to lose interest. Because of this, I cut out enough so that I ended up at a little over 2,100 words. I finalized my thoughts, sent the essay out again for editing (This time I included my English professor since he is harsh on grammar), and waited. I forgot to mention this, but both schools also require a supplemental essay, which can be used for a variety of things, including: clarifying app discrepancies, explaining a poor grade, or anything else you might want the board to know. In my case, I wrote about learning the cello as an adult student (Something which I thought would show the board that I was very well-rounded). The people I showed the essay to thought it was great, so I kept it mostly intact, minus some editing for word choice. Both Yale and Columbia had the same requirements for the supplemental essay, so I used the same essay for both schools. After making the final changes to my Columbia essay, I sent it off and began the great wait.

Yale got back to me first: rejected. I had anticipated this, but it still stung. At the time, I had not completed a full semester of college work (I submitted my interim grades to the board), and I figured that was the primary reason for rejection. Later on when I was at Yale as part of the Warrior Scholar Project (www.operationopportunity.org for more info) I learned from the admissions director that that was, in fact, the reason. Which was a bit of a relief, actually. If having only 15 credits almost-finished with a 4.0 average was the one thing keeping me from Yale, then I had nothing to worry about next year! After this slightly bad news, I waited on Columbia. And waited. And waited. I confirmed with my school that my final transcript had been sent to Columbia, so they were good on their end. Columbia, however, had not received it. The deadline for application had already passed so I had to scramble to find a solution. Would they accept an unofficial transcript, courtesy of a screenshot from my school's website? Yes they would. FINALLY! They had the last piece of material they needed to send my package to the board! The admissions lady let me know that I was finally up for consideration. Oh, and on that very same day, a seperate representative from Columbia let me know that they had found my transcript, which had been accidentally sent to undergrad admissions at Columbia college. There it had been lost in the veritable swamp of 35,000 other applicants. Well, cool! I ought to add that my final GPA was 15 credits with a 4.0 average, with one honors class.

Two days later, I got the call: You have been accepted to Columbia University. Expect an admissions package in the next few days.

And so, that's my experience.
 
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Deathy, I saw this on Facebook today and thought of you, something to keep in mind when you start school in New York :)

39 Unexpected Effects of your Ivy Education

http://www.buzzfeed.com/regajha/unexpected-effects-of-your-ivy-league-education

I love this! Though I'm pretty sure that I've violated the first entry a few times.

It usually goes like:
Random student: So where are you planning on transferring anywhere?
Me: Well....uh....*ahem*....I've kinda been accepted to...er......columbia
RS: Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! Bro how'd you do that?! That's awesome!

Me: I..uh.....got good grades....and had a good essay, I guess
RS: Dude tell me how to get in!
Me: Well, how's your GPA?
RS: Like....2.8
Me: *facepalm*
 
I just got 4.0's in my first two semesters of college. Best grades I have ever gotten. Anybody who has been through a difficult school in the military will run circles around the average student.
 
I just got 4.0's in my first two semesters of college. Best grades I have ever gotten. Anybody who has been through a difficult school in the military will run circles around the average student.

I have to agree 100%. Granted, I attend a small college that is not the most academically challenging, the study habits I picked up from the military are leaps and bounds ahead of my college peers. Also, when in the classroom, most of these kids are still dealing with confidence issues and how to speak up and demonstarte they can communicate in front of a group of people. Once I started attending classes on site, I was shocked at how everything was so easy.
 
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