Israel and Iran

Muppet said:
Looks like DRF-1 from Bragg headed to Iran.

So much for no new wars.
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I saw this. Like the MEU earlier in the week, a bluff or threat you aren't willing to use is useless and makes you look weak. This is basic human psychology, not a pointed indictment of Trump, just basic "people doing people stuff."

I don't know where we are going with troops. My thinking is if we're going to commit troops it should be a metric shit ton, not penny packets of a few thousand. Even putting troops on Kharq is a major escalation.

I would be surprised if boots on the ground is a widely accepted position on this board, but who knows anymore?
 
AWP said:
I saw this. Like the MEU earlier in the week, a bluff or threat you aren't willing to use is useless and makes you look weak. This is basic human psychology, not a pointed indictment of Trump, just basic "people doing people stuff."

I don't know where we are going with troops. My thinking is if we're going to commit troops it should be a metric shit ton, not penny packets of a few thousand. Even putting troops on Kharq is a major escalation.

I would be surprised if boots on the ground is a widely accepted position on this board, but who knows anymore?
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We ain't talking Grenada or Panama. Or even Iraq. That is a big ass country. Are we really thinking inserting a corps (as in multiple divisions and not Marine Corps) or two? I cannot believe that we are. I refuse to believe we are.

The MEU I get, it's a small Swiss army knife that can do a few things and kill people is just one of those things. But small forces in onesies and twosies I don't get and I don't like.
 
AWP said:
I saw this. Like the MEU earlier in the week, a bluff or threat you aren't willing to use is useless and makes you look weak. This is basic human psychology, not a pointed indictment of Trump, just basic "people doing people stuff."

I don't know where we are going with troops. My thinking is if we're going to commit troops it should be a metric shit ton, not penny packets of a few thousand. Even putting troops on Kharq is a major escalation.

I would be surprised if boots on the ground is a widely accepted position on this board, but who knows anymore?
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I'm going wait and hope its a bluff. I'm not sure who in Iran we are negotiating with, but supposedly we are negotiating something with somebody...

I'm sure we have a new bunch of HMFIC's needing their CIBs and their SSIFWTS.
 
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Muppet said:
Looks like DRF-1 from Bragg headed to Iran.

So much for no new wars.
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I'd need to find a better article, but nothing has indicated that this is DRB, in fact I don't think we'd hear about it. My understanding is this unit was scheduled for a CENTCOM rotation. Could be wrong though. Articles I've seen say 1,500 Soldiers which is not many.
 
Devildoc said:
We ain't talking Grenada or Panama. Or even Iraq. That is a big ass country. Are we really thinking inserting a corps (as in multiple divisions and not Marine Corps) or two? I cannot believe that we are. I refuse to believe we are.

The MEU I get, it's a small Swiss army knife that can do a few things and kill people is just one of those things. But small forces in onesies and twosies I don't get and I don't like.
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This highlights one of the criticisms of Hegseth that I think is valid; dude doesn't seem to understand higher level strategy.

This dude thinks that Stupid rules of engagement will keep us from beating Iran. Of course an MEU and DRF-1 can win the war, only if we let them kill everybody they see. No way that ever backfires.
 
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Cookie_ said:
This highlights one of the criticisms of Hegseth that I think is valid; dude doesn't seem to understand higher level strategy.

This dude thinks that Stupid rules of engagement will keep us from beating Iran. Of course an MEU and DRF-1 can win the war, only if we let them kill everybody they see. No way that ever backfires.
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He apparently understands strategy well enough to maintain his job as SecWar.

Where are you getting the idea you expressed in the bolded sentence? Is that your own speculation, or is there something out there that he said/did that I missed?
 
Marauder06 said:
He apparently understands strategy well enough to maintain his job as SecWar.
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I don't think that's the best argument because a counter could be Bondi and Patel understanding law and law enforcement well enough to keep their jobs. Biden had plenty of folks who clearly didn't understand their jobs, but maintained them regardless. Rumsfeld kept his job and I think we can all agree his understanding of strategy was poor.
 
AWP said:
I don't think that's the best argument because a counter could be Bondi and Patel understanding law and law enforcement well enough to keep their jobs. Biden had plenty of folks who clearly didn't understand their jobs, but maintained them regardless. Rumsfeld kept his job and I think we can all agree his understanding of strategy was poor.
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I cant say for sure, but being a former Infantry officer, Hegseth may be listening to the folks who (he thinks) do know.
 
If the media gets their hands on it - a single Marine security guard being reassigned to one of our Embassies in the middle east is going to be messaged as "boots on the ground"

Does anybody remember that one time when we went to war - and then established permanent military bases in each of our enemies countries - and then NEVER came home from that war - because hashtagbootsontheground ???

We STILL have "boots on the ground" in Japan, Italy, Korea, and Germany...
...because hashtagbootsontheground

Also because bed people don't behave unless you smack them in the lips. The problem is, smacking people in the lips has consequences. That doesn't relieve that fact that there will ALWAYS be people that need to be smacked in the lips repeatedly to keep them in line. My grief has never been the media reviled trope of "boots on the ground" my grief is keeping them properly invested while they are there.

But, Box - what about the "No boots on the ground" campaign promise ???
Ok, fine.

WW2 is over and the Marines cause WAY too much trouble for us to have a "REAL" excuse to keep ground combat forces in Japan.
...everyone get one the phone, call your elected representative, and lets FINALLY get those US Marines home from the WW2 deployment.

-Same goes for Italy. The 173rd isn't doing ANYTHING to keep the Italians in line. The Italians are our allies now. Lets get the rest of our WW2 paratroopers back home to their families !!!

-Same goes for Germany - my ancestors left Germany after they lost WW1 - they came to the USA and joined OUR Navy - and then they came home after landing at Anzio.

-Same goes for Korea. Why in the world are we keeping the 2nd ID there when we aren't fighting the NORKs ?? They are nothing more than a speed bump and everyone knows it. The 2nd ID cannot win a war in Korea. They are only there to be butchered on the global stage so the USA has a reason to butt fuck the NORKS even further into the Stone Age for killing our troops and yet, everyone seems OK with THAT as a strategy.

A MEU, a Brigade of Paratroopers, maybe even a few tank BNs on the border...
...are NOT enough to do any real damage against a determined Iranian force and every G.O. in the DoW knows it.

Perhaps we should be seeing a bunch of ground combatant General Officers doing a full on Joe Kent - because they know that the deployed force isn't enough to pull off an invasion without getting decimated - truth to power and all that jazz...

Or maybe - just maybe - its just a warning - posturing - movement of troops that were going to move ANYWAY and just letting the media do the Iranian psyop free of charge...

Hell, maybe it is a buildup - maybe the Iranians are prepared to go full retard and we really are going to have to smack ALL of them in the lips.
Who knows.

But the enemy ALWAYS get a vote and we have to live with the results. I for one, think the world is a better place with a periodic ruination of the Persian empire so I'm just going to wait this out and see what happens while I rest on my ruthless dedication to accepting that anything the US government says is the truth about UFO and aliens. In that same line of thinking, I feel that exact same way about everything the establishment media outlets say when they start reporting on foreign policy when republicans are in office.

If Barack Robbinette Obiden was still in office, we would be watching news reports about the current effort in Iran being part of the best goddamned military strategy since Hannibal Lechter and the rest of his Carpathians rode their war elephants into the Swiss Alps...
...but Barack Robbinette Obiden isn't in office any more
...he's busy saying aliens exist, and making Ewetoob political campaign videos about republicans stealing elections
...so we are counting boots
...because boots on the ground are a sign of failure
...unless democrats do it



Just my two cents - I could be wrong.
 
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Box said:
If the media gets their hands on it - a single Marine security guard being reassigned to one of our Embassies in the middle east is going to be messaged as "boots on the ground"

Does anybody remember that one time when we went to war - and then established permanent military bases in each of our enemies countries - and then NEVER came home from that war - because hashtagbootsontheground ???

We STILL have "boots on the ground" in Japan, Italy, Korea, and Germany...
...because hashtagbootsontheground

Also because bed people don't behave unless you smack them in the lips. The problem is, smacking people in the lips has consequences. That doesn't relieve that fact that there will ALWAYS be people that need to be smacked in the lips repeatedly to keep them in line. My grief has never been the media reviled trope of "boots on the ground" my grief is keeping them properly invested while they are there.

But, Box - what about the "No boots on the ground" campaign promise ???
Ok, fine.

WW2 is over and the Marines cause WAY too much trouble for us to have a "REAL" excuse to keep ground combat forces in Japan.
...everyone get one the phone, call your elected representative, and lets FINALLY get those US Marines home from the WW2 deployment.

-Same goes for Italy. The 173rd isn't doing ANYTHING to keep the Italians in line. The Italians are our allies now. Lets get the rest of our WW2 paratroopers back home to their families !!!

-Same goes for Germany - my ancestors left Germany after they lost WW1 - they came to the USA and joined OUR Navy - and then they came home after landing at Anzio.

-Same goes for Korea. Why in the world are we keeping the 2nd ID there when we aren't fighting the NORKs ?? They are nothing more than a speed bump and everyone knows it. The 2nd ID cannot win a war in Korea. They are only there to be butchered on the global stage so the USA has a reason to butt fuck the NORKS even further into the Stone Age for killing our troops and yet, everyone seems OK with THAT as a strategy.

A MEU, a Brigade of Paratroopers, maybe even a few tank BNs on the border...
...are NOT enough to do any real damage against a determined Iranian force and every G.O. in the DoW knows it.

Perhaps we should be seeing a bunch of ground combatant General Officers doing a full on Joe Kent - because they know that the deployed force isn't enough to pull off an invasion without getting decimated - truth to power and all that jazz...

Or maybe - just maybe - its just a warning - posturing - movement of troops that were going to move ANYWAY and just letting the media do the Iranian psyop free of charge...

Hell, maybe it is a buildup - maybe the Iranians are prepared to go full retard and we really are going to have to smack ALL of them in the lips.
Who knows.

But the enemy ALWAYS get a vote and we have to live with the results. I for one, think the world is a better place with a periodic ruination of the Persian empire so I'm just going to wait this out and see what happens while I rest on my ruthless dedication to accepting that anything the US government says is the truth about UFO and aliens. In that same line of thinking, I feel that exact same way about everything the establishment media outlets say when they start reporting on foreign policy when republicans are in office.

If Barack Robbinette Obiden was still in office, we would be watching news reports about the current effort in Iran being part of the best goddamned military strategy since Hannibal Lechter and the rest of his Carpathians rode their war elephants into the Swiss Alps...
...but Barack Robbinette Obiden isn't in office any more
...he's busy saying aliens exist, and making Ewetoob political campaign videos about republicans stealing elections
...so we are counting boots
...because boots on the ground are a sign of failure
...unless democrats do it



Just my two cents - I could be wrong.
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Why did this give me a mildly painful erection?
 
ThunderHorse said:
I'd need to find a better article, but nothing has indicated that this is DRB, in fact I don't think we'd hear about it. My understanding is this unit was scheduled for a CENTCOM rotation. Could be wrong though. Articles I've seen say 1,500 Soldiers which is not many.
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There were 30ish C-17s from Hunter, Bragg, MacDill, and Lewis today. Sure seems like the exact grouping of folks who would be involved in a forced entry operation. Two Ranger Battalions and the associated 160th elements moving into position most likely.
 

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