Missing/Captured: Bowe Bergdahl

So if it does go to a court martial and he's found guilty of desertion will he actually go to the wall and be shot or will he just rot in gaol?
 
It will never get to a court martial status regardless of the facts. They will tell him to shut his mouth or face charges and sweep it all under the carpet.

Nobody will allow this PR disaster from seeing the inside of a court. DoD PR > right and wrong.
 
1) I'm glad he's back.
2) I know a lot of people are upset about his capture. Emotions are strong based on facts of how much time, energy, blood, and treasure was spent looking for him. I've had personal experience with looking for this kid, like many of us on here have had.

BUT...

Let's get him back, treat him with dignity and respect, and garner as much information and intelligence from this young man as we can. The full capacity of what he knows may take months or a year to illicit and develop. An investigation into the parameters of his capture. He's not going anywhere for awhile.
 
Scotth said:
It will never get to a court martial status regardless of the facts. They will tell him to shut his mouth or face charges and sweep it all under the carpet.

Nobody will allow this PR disaster from seeing the inside of a court. DoD PR > right and wrong.
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The PR disaster is that we made a deal for a deserter. The Army could (should) tout the fact that we won't leave you behind, but your ass is still going to jail - not on a celebrity tour.
 
Mac_NZ said:
So if it does go to a court martial and he's found guilty of desertion will he actually go to the wall and be shot or will he just rot in gaol?
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No way will an execution be on the cards. Honestly I'll be surprised if he does anytime at all, and if he does it'll be minimal. The link I posted in post #8 already has an "Official" talking about time served already is enough.
At a minimum I hope he loses all rank and is dishonorably discharged.
 
Concerning Bergdahl, there's this, from a Soldier that was supposedly there on the ground: Jeff Howard.

"We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him.

He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out.

He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him.

PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable.

Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back.

They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
 
Centermass said:
Concerning Bergdahl, there's this, from a Soldier that was supposedly there on the ground: Jeff Howard.

"We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him.

He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize that the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out.

He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him.

PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable.

Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back.

They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
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Do you have a link?

This is something that needs to be out there, and a link increases credibility.
 
Centermass said:
Concerning Bergdahl, there's this, from a Soldier that was supposedly there on the ground: Jeff Howard.
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SOWT said:
Do you have a link?

This is something that needs to be out there, and a link increases credibility.
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I received it from a Ranger Buddy that's credible, but that's why I framed this as a "Caveat" in the first sentence as I asked the same thing and still waiting.
 
Ranger Psych said:
It's totally chuckleworthy that everything from ALASKA when he deserted never went viral, or is being repeated.

Everyone in the 501st said he was a deserter IN COMBAT. The news even reported it. Unfortunately, that's all being pushed to the wayside because yay we have him home
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FWIW, 2 very credible sources have corroborated the excerpt I posted. If you want the names, PM me.
 
O_oOUR "horrible" CUNT president - Obama is being accused of breaking the law by the GOP. I hope this goes high and fast:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/republicans-obama-broke-law-prisoner-exchange-bowe-bergdahl
WASHINGTON (AP) — Two Republican lawmakers on Saturday accused President Barack Obama of breaking the law by approving the release of five Afghan detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in exchange for a U.S. soldier believed held by Islamist insurgents for five years.
The White House agreed that actions were taken "in spite of legal requirements" and cited "unique and exigent circumstances" as justification.
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Demospeak for "broke the law"

Please do not alter a politicians name to insult them. Regardless of justification. Thank you, pardus, Moderator.

ETA edited to appease the left......JK 8-):D "Horrible" being and adjective - so can be construed "cunt". 8-) :D



Further edited to add: After discussion with members of staff over this type of issue, disregard my previous edit and post that I have struck through. Pardus
 
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Freefalling said:
ALLLLLL the other BS associated with him AND we release (errr, "exchange") some terrorists for this dude AND his first communication is to inquire who rescued him? SF? Dick fuck, you are finally a free man, WTF does it matter WHO picked you up? SF, SEALS, Boy Scout Troop 1, Greenpeace....hell, anyone but Jesse Jackson? No..."God Bless America" or "Is this real" or "I'm finally going home?!" or anything...he gathers intel.
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This. Really strange. Talibananas talk idiots into being suicide bombers. It's gotta be easier to talk someone into "being exchanged" so you can get 5 proven fighters back. Win-win for TB. Lose the excess baggage; Gain 5 pissed off, well-fed recidivists.

If only there were a law in place to prevent such short sighted decision making...
 

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